ABECK Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Ive never been a big fan of the Leslie sound on Stop. Too dry. Lifeless. Not my thang. However, last night I was in an adventurous mood at a gig and decided to ride on stop for a while. It was, well, dry, but pleasantly punchy. Not bad for my comping purposes, but still not my preference. Well now, when I switched from stop to fast, paint started to melt from the walls, dogs and cats started sleeping with each other, the heavens opened up and shone a light on me. Yes, I see it. I see the light I shouted. OK, perhaps thats a bit overstated, but I was pleasantly surprised at the effect of going from stop to fast. Its not like I havent heard it before, but something clicked this time. I will definitely add this to my tool box. Dont get me wrong, I still enjoy the chorale setting too (not unplugging any virtual motors just yet.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 This will turn anybody into a fan. [video:youtube] Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Never was a fan of stop and still am not. I used it with my Motion Sound for one or two songs because the original song was recorded that way but I don't really like it. 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit 93 Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe P Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Cool! I have found that stop sits better in the mix, sometimes, when comping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMcM Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Isn't that FUN! Occasionally I'll start a solo with Leslie on stop and no C/V, then kick in the C/V and finally spin up the motors. Try this, instead of going from stop directly to fast, take a very brief trip to slow (about one second) before merging into the fast lane. The effect is subtle, but it does emphasize the change in movement. Wm. David McMahan I Play, Therefore I Am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 It was tricky to go from Stop to Fast on my Electro 2. On the Mojo61, it's really easy. I'm very happy about that. My Leslie 45 only has Fast. Some people upon hearing this will say, "you can add Slow by doing such-and-such" and I just smile and say thanks. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Stop makes your notes cut more, why jazz organists like it and also the pleasant go to fast from stop I guess! Guess it depends if you are playing linear music.... no one has to like Anything! Hey, it's up to you! SP6, CP-50, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, XK-3, CX-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJPatton Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I'm all about stop, I use fast very sparingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Another tool in the toolbox. Organ needs subtle changes in sound every so often to keep it sounding fresh. Turning on chorale, vibrato, and changing registrations is all part of being organ players and not just using it like a synth pad. And yes, the swirl from stop to fast is most glorious and dramatic! Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr. Deluxe Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I wish you could have chorale slow almost to stop but move just enough for a more moderate chorale effect. You'd still get an intense ramp up but not as thick of the slow chorale swirl. I think the fast motor would struggle to handle it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigmeat Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I prefer it stopped over chorale. My Leslie at home has the Trek II switch so I can stop it via half-moon. Where I play once a week, I unplug the slow motor on the Leslie. I really like how Mike Finnigan plays and he seems to stop the Leslie quite a bit. Check out the B3 solos on this track: [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Another tool in the toolbox. Organ needs subtle changes in sound every so often to keep it sounding fresh. Turning on chorale, vibrato, and changing registrations is all part of being organ players and not just using it like a synth pad. And yes, the swirl from stop to fast is most glorious and dramatic! well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawai James Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Stop --> Fast --> Stop This is organ heaven for me. Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own. Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 yes sir. perfect example of this organ heaven [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g55XaECGBN0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Or the great Jimmy Greenspoon! [video:youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bxOvEVwJN8U '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I use stop alot! Funny how my playing style has changed over the years. '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary75 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I never had stop on any 122, but I picked up one of those EIS electronic relays to put in with the coast mode and now I pretty much use stop all the time now at home on my C3. Much more definition. It makes you play more staccato I find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Mike Finnigan is a fuckin bad ass. Nice guy as well. His phrasing is great, he knows how to fill the spaces: [video:youtube] "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Quinn Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Mike Finnigan is a fuckin bad ass. +1 I think I first heard him as a kid in the late 60's on Hendrix's Rainy Day, Dream Away. Been a fan ever since. He's one of the best! www.alquinn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share Posted July 8, 2016 I really like how Mike Finnigan plays and he seems to stop the Leslie quite a bit. Love Mike Finnigan. Check out his solo on this Bonnie Raitt tune. I love the subtle little palm slap he throws in around 1:55. [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Stop to fast is a thing of beauty. I do a lot of stopped when I'm playing blues gigs. Live: Korg Kronos 2 88, Nord Electro 5d Nord Lead A1 Toys: Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP, Roland SP-404SX, Roland JX10,Emu MK6 www.bksband.com www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BbAltered Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I myself love those few recordings I have of Ray Charles playing organ - recorded I believe without a Leslie. No rotating sound. Something about that sound speaks to me: it says old school; cleanly classic. I play my XK3 thru a MS Pro, and I often have the MS Pro on the stop setting to get that classic "Ray Charles on organ" sound. Now if I could just play organ like Ray Charles!! J.S. Bach Well Tempered Klavier The collected works of Scott Joplin Ray Charles Genius plus Soul Charlie Parker Omnibook Stevie Wonder Songs in the Key of Life Weather Report Mr. Gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Up until about 5 years ago, I would never have played Hammond without Leslie. The Leslie and Hammond together are like "Bonnie and Clyde" (in the words of another writer...) Brian Auger completely turned my ear around. Now I love playing static Leslie. Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I really like how Mike Finnigan plays and he seems to stop the Leslie quite a bit. Love Mike Finnigan. Check out his solo on this Bonnie Raitt tune. I love the subtle little palm slap he throws in around 1:55. [video:youtube] ABECK he plays so clean also. Funny thing is I am a friend of his on Facebook and he talks politics mostly. "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Another tool in the toolbox. Organ needs subtle changes in sound every so often to keep it sounding fresh. Turning on chorale, vibrato, and changing registrations is all part of being organ players and not just using it like a synth pad. Great point. This is the stuff that separates an "organist" from someone who just "plays organ." I happen to be in the latter category but really enjoy hearing someone play who knows what they're doing. It's a beautiful thing. "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKeys Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I have been using stop more frequently as of late. Also using less click and more drawbar tweaking! Jimmy Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. Groucho NEW BAND CHECK THEM OUT www.steveowensandsummertime.com www.jimmyweaver.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Or the great Jimmy Greenspoon! ... I learned a lot of my leslie control (along with how to replace rhythm guitar with an organ) listening to Three Dog Night, Captured Live at the Forum. [video:youtube] This post edited for speling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Or the great Jimmy Greenspoon! ... I learned a lot of my leslie control (along with how to replace rhythm guitar with an organ) listening to Three Dog Night, Captured Live at the Forum. [video:youtube] Masters of Leslie control: Booker T. Jimmy Greenspoon Stevie Winwood '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B3Nut Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 I myself love those few recordings I have of Ray Charles playing organ - recorded I believe without a Leslie. No rotating sound. Genius + Soul = Jazz? That's the Van Gelder Studio house rig, '59 C-3 through a 21H. A huge swath of the jazz organ canon was recorded on that organ. (The C-3 is still in use there today...a 122 is on hand today if a client desires chorale, but the 30-watt 21H is still there and some organists pick it when recording at RVG's place.) --- Todd A. Phipps "...no, I'm not a Hammondoholic...I can stop anytime..." http://www.facebook.com/b3nut ** http://www.blueolives.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Quinn Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Played a blues gig last night and used stop more than I had ever before because of what's been shared in this thread. Thanks guys. It was an excellent experience. I like how the stopped sound sits in the mix and how it inspires a different type of playing. Very cool! www.alquinn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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