AnotherScott Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 cross bar is pretty short. I tend to like my stands wider, but have no real reason for this. Could make a longer bar I guess. I've also thought that it would be useful to provide additional notches in that crossbar for those who like their stands narrower. But really, the stand works well even if you just remove the crossbar entirely. I imagine that the cross bar increases stability in a way that might be more or less noticeable depending on something like the weight of the keyboards you're using. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Well, my pedal board is about 1" too wide on each side to fit using the supplied crossbar, so I need to make a longer one. I don't think I could discard it, I'm all about stability. If I make it longer however, it won't fold neatly against the leg. I may have to remove it every time. Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenheeter Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I attached a piece of that non slip mat from one leg to the other. It folds up with the stand and my pedals stay put. One thing to be aware of, be sure to tighten all of the knobs for transport. I lost a couple of knobs until I learned this lesson. I've been gigging for a few years with mine and I still love it. I just added the second tier and now my Mojo 61 is on the lower, my Stage EX 76 is on the upper. Very sweet! Cheers, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Well, my pedal board is about 1" too wide on each side to fit using the supplied crossbar, so I need to make a longer one. I don't think I could discard it, I'm all about stability. If I make it longer however, it won't fold neatly against the leg. I may have to remove it every time. I used mine with no crossbar because the Gaia I had on the top tier was too narrow to use the crossbar. It worked OK but I sure trust it more with the crossbar. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 If I make it longer however, it won't fold neatly against the leg. That might depend on the height setting of the board, so maybe that could still work i.e. if you're a standing player...? Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 If you go with two tiers (18880 & 18881 in my case), the crossbar can be placed on the upper tier, then it is short enough to not be longer than the stand when at seated height. First thing I really loved about mine: lack of weight. Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewImprov Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Got my K&M this morning. First impressions - - that's a tiny box! - dang that's lightweight When mine got delivered, I thought the same thing, there was no way a keyboard stand could fit into a box that small and light. Congrats on the purchase, I think the 188800 is the new Invisible... (actually, I own an Invisible, and I like the K&M better) Turn up the speaker Hop, flop, squawk It's a keeper -Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Just ordered an 18880 and two sets of the 18882 stackers from Full Compass. After reading the recommendations here, this stand combination looks to have a significantly lower 'hassle factor' than my Standtastic KS-103. Looks like a no-tears solution for when three keyboards are needed. Heck, it even appears to be a better, more stable piece of kit for single and dual keyboard setups. 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Never been pinched by the K&M. LOL "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDP Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 How high are those vertical stop bars on the stackers? Do they unscrew for removal and shortening if they are to tall? Adding a third board is tempting with this stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewImprov Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 How high are those vertical stop bars on the stackers? Do they unscrew for removal and shortening if they are to tall? Adding a third board is tempting with this stand. I got the 188800 plus both stackers. I use the 188882 for the 2nd tier, but made my own third tier, basically just a T-shaped piece of wood, where the vertical part fits into the extension of the 18882, and the horizontal part has some non-skid material and screw to hold the keyboard in place. I posted some pictures, but can't seem to find them online. I made my own third tier because the 18881 put the third board too far forward and too high for my taste. The 18880 still folds flat with both tiers attached. I still think it's the best keyboard stand made yet. Turn up the speaker Hop, flop, squawk It's a keeper -Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I got mine modified with a longer cross bar so that it fits over my pedal board. Then I got to thinking another 18880 would make a great frame for my bench. Alas it is rated around 100 lbs, and my fat butt far exceeds that. Seems like all the stress would be compressional though. Hmmm. Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I played a fly in last weekend, guy gave me an Apex. Sorta cool, has me thinking about a spider. How is spider with only one level set up? The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab67/mathofinsects/96%20Tiers_zpswynngtwx.png www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 someone's bored David Gig Rig:Roland Fantom-08| Yamaha MODX+ 6 | MacBook Pro 14" M1| Mainstage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Robinson Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Ok, I've got it and like everyone else, I'm amazed at how solid yt lightweight it is. HOWEVER, I'm a little worried. ON the 18882 attachment, it seems that the only thing keeping the angled piece from collapsing at the little knobs you twist to tighten them. Is that really enough? I thought I had it tightened plenty but after playing about 10 minutes, it started slipping... Doug Robinson www.dougrobinson.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roygBiv Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Hey Guys Just got my 18880 and 18881 today - set up quickly, very cool! Thought I also bought an 18882, but apparently forgot to click that option. Oh well. Anyway, two quick questions: 1. is the 18882 shorter than the 18881? trying to minimize overhang of the 2nd tier over the bottom. 2. Has anyone found a good bag or carrying case to put the 18880 in? It seems to require 24", which is wider than any of my keyboard bags (or anything I can find online). Would it fit in a Suit/Garment bag? Any other suggestions? Thx Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewImprov Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 1. is the 18882 shorter than the 18881? trying to minimize overhang of the 2nd tier over the bottom. No, if anything the 18882 is slightly longer than the 18881 in its shortest position. I have both, and considered shortening the 18881, but I ended up making a simple 3rd tier out of wood. Other than that, it's the most awesome keyboard stand I've owned, and I have owned almost all of them including the near-mythical Invisible. Turn up the speaker Hop, flop, squawk It's a keeper -Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roygBiv Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Thanks New&Improv, I appreciate it - I may build something similar then, and save the cash on ordering an 18882. I agree - so far, seems like a very well designed stand - and so light! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Ok, I've got it and like everyone else, I'm amazed at how solid yt lightweight it is. HOWEVER, I'm a little worried. ON the 18882 attachment, it seems that the only thing keeping the angled piece from collapsing at the little knobs you twist to tighten them. Is that really enough? I thought I had it tightened plenty but after playing about 10 minutes, it started slipping... I realise that I react to an old post, so by this time you probably figured it out. But, maybe for those who are looking to this thread and want to buy one; The stackers are kept at an angle fixed by a bolt. Therefore there are 4 (or 5 or so) discrete positions you can put them at. But it won't slip down... Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobster Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Just catching up on this thread - the 18880 looks like an awesome stand. Wanted to clarify: does the 18880/18881 combo fold flat without disassembly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roygBiv Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Hi Bob Not that I'm any kind of expert (just had mine for all of 12 hours!), but the short answer is yes - you can loosen one of the knobs for the according attachment, and just collapse the two side bits towards each other - very slick. My only problem now is I can't find a bag to put it in - I like putting everything in bags, so to minimize what I a forget later. As others have noted - "it's the smalls that take up the most time", and putting things in a bag not only protects them, but keeps me from leaving them behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobster Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Thanks for the quick reply. I saw the 18882 3-tier stand pictured folded flat on the K&M website, but didn't want to make an assumption about the 18881. Re: a bag for the stand: wondering if Studio Slips could make a custom one for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roygBiv Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Hmm, I'll check into them, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKnuckles Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Hi Bob Not that I'm any kind of expert (just had mine for all of 12 hours!), but the short answer is yes - you can loosen one of the knobs for the according attachment, and just collapse the two side bits towards each other - very slick. My only problem now is I can't find a bag to put it in - I like putting everything in bags, so to minimize what I a forget later. As others have noted - "it's the smalls that take up the most time", and putting things in a bag not only protects them, but keeps me from leaving them behind. I have never put my one in a bag. It is really easy to carry without a bag - has a natural handle, and so light I just lay it on top of my keyboard bag in the car. My gut feeling is that it is more likely to get damaged through being stuffed into a bag than through being transported without one.... Setup and down time for that stand: 10 seconds. Just be sure to check the screw covers each time you use it and tighten them if necessary. "Turn your fingers into a dust rag and keep them keys clean!" Bluzeyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Here's mine, replete with custom risers and foldable brace. Still folds flat! http://www.hotrodmotm.com/images/newrig/newrig_packed.jpg Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwheels Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Looking forward to mine being delivered today since being backordered from around the beginning of August when I placed the order! Nord Lead A1, Nord Electro 5d, Yamaha S70xs, QSC K10s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKeys Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Still waiting on mine too and I ordered it in August! Jimmy Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. Groucho NEW BAND CHECK THEM OUT www.steveowensandsummertime.com www.jimmyweaver.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agitato Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Is the 18880 solid a wobble-free like 18950 keyboard table is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Ferguson Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Is the 18880 solid a wobble-free like 18950 keyboard table is? I wouldn't say it wobbles, but there can be some side to side movement - e.g. during a big organ gliss, etc. "If you can't dazzle them with dexterity, baffle them with bullshit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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