Paul Harrison Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Is the C/V or the Leslie that different between the Sk1 and 1c/3c models? I have an XK3c (with lower keyboard and pedalboard) and an XK1c. The older/heftier XK3c has some extra "authenticity" features, such as reverse-colour preset keys, dual tube overdrive, and B3-like layout, but the newer XK1c has some improvement to the chorus vibrato and Leslie. There may be some slight difference between them in tone and feel, but I am very happy with them both (apart from the warbly chorus vibrato on the XK3c). The SK1/SK2 (single/dual keyboard, extra voices) and XK1c (single keyboard, no extra voices) are essentially variants of the same model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_G Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Hey, maybe there is a XK-3d in the works. Shave a few pounds, update to the distortion and Leslie modeling, maybe some extra sounds from the Sk, drop use of CF cards and competitively priced. One can hope! Not in this century ! ;-) Studio: Hammond XK5-XLK5, Roland Fantom 8, Prophet 5, Roland SE02, Neo Vent, HX3-Expander, Yamaha Montage M7 Live: Yamaha CP88, Hammond SKX Pro, Hammond XB2-HX3, Roland Fantom 07, Roland SA1000, Neo Vent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachus Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 I guess for the newprice, it would be wiser to go for a mojo... Korg Kronos 88, Yamaha Tyros5 (76), Integra 7, macbook pro/mainstage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_G Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I guess for the newprice, it would be wiser to go for a mojo... Don't know....there are a lot of (better) options on the market nowadays. But it seems that this "big old name" sells still a lot of boards, so no pressure on them to "update" (that means you have to buy a new XK3x) their sound engine.... Studio: Hammond XK5-XLK5, Roland Fantom 8, Prophet 5, Roland SE02, Neo Vent, HX3-Expander, Yamaha Montage M7 Live: Yamaha CP88, Hammond SKX Pro, Hammond XB2-HX3, Roland Fantom 07, Roland SA1000, Neo Vent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 The XK3/3c has the best playing ergonomics of any clone I have played. Hammond created its own keyboard for it, and the difference between that keyboard and the Fatars used in the new SK's is dramatic. '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Hey, Dave. I'm guessing the Crumar Mojo uses Fatar action as well? My guess would be MAG, UHL, DLQ/KeyB will all use the same Fatar action? Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_G Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Yes, all use a Fatar. But in my experience (Nord, SK, UHL) they feel different. I have no idea why, maybe different springs, But Dave is right, the XK3c keyboard is great. Studio: Hammond XK5-XLK5, Roland Fantom 8, Prophet 5, Roland SE02, Neo Vent, HX3-Expander, Yamaha Montage M7 Live: Yamaha CP88, Hammond SKX Pro, Hammond XB2-HX3, Roland Fantom 07, Roland SA1000, Neo Vent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 They would by and large opt for an action available in 61 or 73 keys (for the 12 reverse color preset keys) with a waterfall key shape. Most likely they are using some variation on the TP/8, but depending on what they are going for they have these to choose from, TP/8L TP/6LP TP/60L TP/60LW TP/8HO TP/O TP/8S TP/8SK TP/9S TP/7BA Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I read here that Nord customizes the actions for some models, changing weights or springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I read here that Nord customizes the actions for some models, changing weights or springs. I've read that too, but I honestly believe it's a myth. I've seen from their promotional videos that they extensively test every action and calibrate them precisely for proper play on their sound engines. But that's not swapping out springs or replacing other parts for better performance. Besides, if they did actually do this, wouldn't you expect they'd come up with something that feels like the B3 or Xk-3/3c? Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt W Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 To come up with something that feels like a B3 the keys much be much longer. Problem with short keys (shorter distance to the fulcrum) is that the push down resistance varies much more from front of key to back of key than a B3. See this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UHOc3G2A3no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If Fatar would take an interest in building the right spec'd key action to get the B3 feel down, there's a decent list of clients I think that would order it for their instruments, starting with Nord, then DLQ/KeyB, Crumar, newcomers MAG and UHL. There's a lot of great players that endorse these boards or casually speak highly of them. I'd be curious to know if they think Fatar could/should improve upon the TP/8 and similar actions to bring a more authentic, but also more desirable feel. Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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