Fred_C Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I came across this very interesting and informative program which was posted on the Keyboard Forum this morning. I don't know how many of you gents are interested in Jazz at all, but I know that there are at least a few forum members who might be interested (Scott, Winston, Larry and Whitefang et. al.). http://wdcb.org/new-media/music-lounge.php?id=87 If you play cool, you are cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEHpicker Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 "Swing is when the music feels like it is speeding up... but doesn't." Duke Ellington SEHpicker The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 It don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing, do wah do wah do wah do wah do wah do wah... +1 on Duke Ellington's description! Even if it doesn't fit the precise definition, I like the boogie based dance music like the Andrew Sisters Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy...I can dig all of the old jazz standards Brother Fred, that make you want to get up and dance or at least tap your feet and sing along...It's music that just won't let you sit still and leaves you in awe... ps. Patricia Barber is great and later tonight, I want to go back and listen to the whole show after just listening to Jitterbug Waltz...very cool music and the show sounds like it has some very cool history to go with it! Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Psmith Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 It takes incredible timing and precision to play around and behind the beat, without causing a musical train wreck. That, to me, is one of the main elements of Swing. "Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King http://www.novparolo.com https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421782837&x-yt-cl=84359240&v=G43VYqSsCGE <--- this is what I think of as "swing" using a tune from 1941...I watched the whole 59 minutes and it was a great experience in the analytical evolution of modern swing jazz. I still like the older "swing" the best. I think the best parts of the video is when the bass and drums demonstrate the difference in the analytical playing and the playing by feel...The modern jazz feel with a little blues does capture the thought that "the music swings." The older swing just swings better for me as it has a lot of jazz and blues in it, but I don't really think of "Swing" as "Jazz" for some reason. To me it's more of the feel and maybe it just comes out for the same rhythmic reasons. I liked the demonstrations of slow, moderate and up-tempo "swing" in the video. Being mostly a rhythm guitar guy, it's probably the reason why I appreciate the different feels in the "swing" music, even if no one can really explain it... One thing I in noticed Patricia's timing theory on the bass and on the cymbals with regard to 1/8th notes and 1/16th notes (dotted or otherwise) is the timing from when the note is struck and when the sound comes out of the instrument being taken into consideration...I think the same may be true on acoustic pianos as well even though she doesn't go there...the sax was really cool and I liked their version of Caravan. Thanks Fred! Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hey thanks Fred I love shows like this...I'll check it out and the other episodes when I can. Guitar Speak Podcast www.guitarspeakpodcast.libsyn.com https://www.facebook.com/guitarspeakpodcast www.itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/guitar-speak-podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This seems like something that deserves undivided attention-with the possible exception of a drink... looking forward to it. Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 God willing, I'll LIVE long enough to MAKE it to 2105!( hopefully, THAT was a TYPO!) I'll also paraphrase Louis Armstrong in answer to the question, "What is SWING?"----- "If you have to ask, you'll never know". In a way, you CAN tell it by certain key indicators. Rhythm and tempo, instrumentation( but, not always), and other musical patterns that more musically educated and erudite forum members than me can articulate, my lacking knowledge of ALL the fitting terminology. I haven't yet had the oportunity to LISTEN to anything linked to the Article Fred gave link to, that may come later in the day. Plus, I don't know if I can acquire access to the radio station mentioned in the piece. Now, it IS true, as I've told the tale here before, that when I was 5 or 6, I'd sneak listens to my brother's "crystal radio" while he was sleeping, and wind up sitting up near half the night listening to a radio station out of Chicago that played blues( AM radio in the WEE hours can be far reaching), but, THAT was nearly 58 or so years ago. (Plus, I apologize, I didn't KNOW it was called "blues", I just thought it was some "cool" sounding "rock'n'roll music that COLORED guys played!) But, as there WERE several "Swing" era records among the 78s my Mom had in her scant record collection, I feel I have somewhat of a handle on what "swing" MIGHT be,....But, to my regret, I wouldn't be able to articulate it as clearly as perhaps Fred C, or a few others in this forum might. Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Jeez.........FRED! * I really did expect a larger and more lively discussion of this topic, especially TODAY, it being DJANGO REINHARDT'S Birthday! Unless too many of the "newbies" have no idea who he WAS, which would be sad! Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_C Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Jeez.........FRED! * I really did expect a larger and more lively discussion of this topic, especially TODAY, it being DJANGO REINHARDT'S Birthday! Unless too many of the "newbies" have no idea who he WAS, which would be sad! Whitefang I think that the program requires some digesting. It's pretty theoretical. As I stated in the OP I thought that the program would be of interest to a somewhat limited subset of forum members. With regard to the "Newbies", I guess we're pretty even. They don't know who Django or Joe Pass or Barney Kessel are and I have no idea who the people they listen to are. My Rock/Pop/Blues listening is fairly limited to the artists of the '60's and '70's. And to be truthful, listening to Metal not only offends my musical sensibilities, it makes my ears hurt. This in no way is intended to devalue or disrespect the musical tastes of others, it is simply a statement of my personal aesthetic. If you play cool, you are cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's finding the time to devote an hour to watching the computer. Full work load of recording sessions going on here. Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 i have been fighting the flu and not getting much playing in or listening. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=193274 rock it, i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_C Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yeah. As Skip, Harvey, Scott and Guitarzan indicate, it really does require an hour of focused listening. It's a very interesting and intellectually stimulating program, but as I mentioned, somewhat theoretical and therefore complex. It requires some time to digest. If you play cool, you are cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I'm starting another thread, which my DAD would have said was my just "throwing a turd into the stew"! Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Laying off of the beat just right. http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'd always understood "swing" to have been almost always in 2/4 time! Y'know, and "big band" being; "eight to the bar"? Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'd always understood "swing" to have been almost always in 2/4 time! Y'know, and "big band" being; "eight to the bar"? Whitefang The definition of swing that I understand it to be is the moving of the offbeat away from the straight eighth note toward or being on the triplet subdivision. Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_C Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 Scott, Yeah, the figure is like an eighth note triplet with the middle note of the triplet eliminated. If you play cool, you are cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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