iluvchiclets Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Hi everyone, I just tried using my generic expression pedal (for the first time) with my VR-09, and the volume goes from quiet to full volume with no gradual sweep! I tried selecting different "curves" in the menu with no luck. It is a standard expression pedal for synths and FX processors, with a single 1/4" stereo jack on the end. Does the VR require some specialized pedal or something unusual? I have never had a problem with any other synth or VST using this pedal... Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Which expression pedal do you have? I found my m-audio pedal behaved much better after adjusting it so that "max quiet" still made noise (just like a real organ) Wes Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Reverse the tip and sleeve wiring ( i.e. the polarity) and see if it behaves correctly. Read this article and you'll better understand what I'm saying above. http://barrysmixedreviews.blogspot.com/2008/09/barrys-mixed-reviews-yamaha-fc7_313.html?m=1 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It is a standard expression pedal for synths and FX processors This is a false statement; there is no "standard". We've had dozens of discussions about this, the latest one only about a month ago, if memory serves. Roland uses a 10k linear taper pot in their pedal. Your pedal obviously uses something different. Roland EV-5, M-Audio EX-P, Boss FV-500L - any of those will work fine with your VR. There are undoubtedly others, but those are the ones that come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 So yeah, a quick search found this thread called, if you can believe it, "Exp pedal for roland vr09" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 So yeah, a quick search found this thread called, if you can believe it, "Exp pedal for roland vr09" . that thread was so "6 months ago". miss your avatar pic, Sven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 that thread was so "6 months ago". LOL, yeah, I know, I'm slipping lately... miss your avatar pic, Sven Ask and ye shall receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Thanks for all the replies, I did a search here for the words expression pedal and VR, and there were so many hits I honestly thought I was doing something wrong?! I have to concede that I might not know how to use the search function in the forum properly... I will look at the replies above and see what I can figure out. After reading the words "polarity" and "pot taper" I would guess something is wrong with my pedal. It works with everything else I own, which made me wonder if I was missing a setting. Will report back if I can add anything new to the knowledge base here. Thank you again! Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm not a big fan of the forum search, either. This is how I do it: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vr-09+expression+pedal+site%3Amusicplayer.com Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Thanks for the search tip, WesG. Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Moog EP-3. They are $40 and are universal. The TRS cable plugs into a jack on the pedal. Pedal is scalable. Pot on the side adjusts the value. I use 2 of them on my board because the Yamahas take up too much space. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thank you CEB. I much prefer the price of the Moog pedal vs. the Yamaha. I think I looked at the EP-3 a while back, and was concerned about the treadle design...they use a string to turn the potentiometer if I'm not mistaken? Have you had any problems with the design? Thanks for the input. Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 No problem. And I don't think they use a string. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2583278/Searchpage/1/Main/175017/Words/Moog/Search/true/Moog_EP_3_Expression_pedal_Qui#Post2583278 "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thank you - Ahh..I see it was the Moog EP-2 that used what looks like a string to rotate the pot shaft. It really looked funny to me when I saw it. Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I have used Ernie Ball volume pedals that used strings. I never had any issues with them. You do need to know how to replace the string though. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorayM Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 For future reference, I found this thread over at HC which compares loads of expression pedal pot values. North Haverbrook - Godsticks - SoundCloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Thanks for the tip, CEB, about the Moog EP-3. I picked one up and it seems to work perfectly with the VR. I still have to figure out what all the velocity curves are on the 09, and what the little wheel does on the EP-3? They sell for $56.00 including tax here in Canada...ugh... Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 $56 is pretty reasonable. I wonder how it compares to the $200 Crumar pedal? Looking at the photo online, it looks like the "throw" is quite a bit less than a Hammond pedal. And I'm guessing that little wheel adjusts the cutoff point. Try setting it so that the pedal all the way "off" yields a very quiet, but not totally quiet, organ. Just like an organ. Doing that to my m-audio pedal made it way more useful. Wes Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hey WesG, The little wheel does something, but I can't quite tell what! I think it affects the expression curve in different ways all at once? The Moog EP-3 does have a nice action, and more throw than the M-Audio which was the less-expensive choice. I did see the Yamaha FC-7, but it was over $70.00. Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 With the VR-09, leave the wheel all the way left (counter-clockwise). It changes the minimum pot value that is seen by the keyboard. You want it to be full range for your purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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