pawel Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Hi! More Pictures Kurzweil KA-110. http://www.muzykuj.com/ufiles/image/kurzweil/Kurzweil%20Ka110.jpg http://www.muzykuj.com/ufiles/image/kurzweil/Kurzweil%20ka110%201.jpg http://www.muzykuj.com/ufiles/image/kurzweil/Ka110%20image.jpg http://www.muzykuj.com/ufiles/image/kurzweil/Ka110black.jpg Link http://www.muzykuj.com/aktualnosci/kurzweil-ka-110-wiemy-juz-o-nim-wszystko,1166.html Kurzwei PC3xl Pc2x , K2600x, fender Rhodes, Novation xio, Novation x station, Yamaha sk20, Yamaha motif rack es ,plg-150 vl . Virus ti Polar, Korg M3 76, Yamaha s90xs, Hammond Sk1 www.muzykuj.com
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Kurzweil should be ashamed to put their great name on such crap. Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
Ken Beaumont Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 I noticed this isn't listed on the Kurzweil sight. I'm thinking since Kurzweil is owned Young & Chang which was aquired by Hyundai, Kurzweil R&D in the US had absolutely nothing to do with this? Boards: Kurzweil SP-6, Roland FA-08, VR-09, DeepMind 12 Modules: Korg Radias, Roland D-05, Bk7-m & Sonic Cell
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 I think so, too. I believe this keyboard was developed and is being manufactured by a Chinese company. I still think it hurts the brand. Kurzweil is a great shining name not to be messed with, IMHO. Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
Dave Weiser Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Not speaking for Kurzweil, but it looks to me like this one might only be intended for the Korean/Chinese markets. (It only appears on the Young Chang Korea website.) It makes good business sense for Kurz to custom tailor certain products for specific markets, better than a worldwide one-size-fits-all approach. The market for keyboards in Korea and China has been growing steadily for the past decade - Kurz would be insane not to go after that revenue. Think of it like this: Every one of these sold in Asia means more R&D resources devoted to developments like the new samples and new UI found in the Forte. All the same I am going to have to give my buddies at Kurz some gentle ribbing about their "Stylish" pianos. https://www.theboywhowantedtorock.com http://www.weisersound.com https://www.facebook.com/weisersound
Dana. Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Kurzweil should be ashamed to put their great name on such crap. Why is it crap? Because it's orange? Have you played one? It makes good business sense for Kurz to custom tailor certain products for specific markets, better than a worldwide one-size-fits-all approach. The market for keyboards in Korea and China has been growing steadily for the past decade - Kurz would be insane not to go after that revenue. Think of it like this: Every one of these sold in Asia means more R&D resources devoted to developments like the new samples and new UI found in the Forte.
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 "... more R&D resources devoted to developments like the new samples and new UI found in the Forte." Sounds great and promising! PC4 please! (I don't want to buy a Kronos or a Motif; and I don't want to take my laptop on stage.) Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 By the way, Dave, I was recently able to check out the Forte in a local music store in Zurich and was blown away by the sounds and the hardware quality. For the first time in ages, Swiss music stores are carrying Kurzweil instruments which is not a bad sign for the company, because as we all now, the Swiss are filthy rich. ;-) Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Four dead horses, D-Bon? You're overdoing it. And you can roll your eyes as long as you want to. I'm not impressed. Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
Kenny Ingram Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 And people were wondering about Casio's new small sampling keyboards (with the lighted keys). What do you think is paying for the R&D on a new pro stage piano or workstation? Guess what guys? To have a successful company you need both a pro-line, as well as a entry-level line of products. The 'cool' and 'hip' companies with only pro-lines are not sustainable anymore. PC4 please! Add about 67 more, and it would be much more accurate. Kenny Ingram SoundCloud YouTube
miden Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 And people were wondering about Casio's new small sampling keyboards (with the lighted keys). What do you think is paying for the R&D on a new pro stage piano or workstation? Guess what guys? To have a successful company you need both a pro-line, as well as a entry-level line of products. The 'cool' and 'hip' companies with only pro-lines are not sustainable anymore. Yep! There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Kurzweil already have plenty of entry-level products developed in USA: SP4 series, SP5 series, Artis SE. But who am I to opine. I assume Young Chang know what they're doing. Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
marino Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Matt - frankly, I'm puzzled at your reaction to the pictures too. Sure, it *looks* like it's aimed at the low end consumer market. It's not the first time for Kurzweil anyway - they did several home digital piano models and stripped-down versions of their keyboards. But how can you say that this one is crap? The sound? The action? The amplification? The costruction? How do you know? Nothing against you - I'm curious about your reasoning.
Kenny Ingram Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 No, that's not correct Matt. We're talking about two different markets. The three that you mentioned: 1) They all retail for $1000+ 2) None of them (with the exception of one option) have internal speakers. 3) None come with a stand built in. Go to Kurzweil's website and click the Home Digital Piano section (instead of Pro Line). Here you'll find the MP line and other DPs that Kurzweil is producing. THIS is what lots of other companies are trying to do. Kenny Ingram SoundCloud YouTube
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Maybe my reaction was too emotional and crap too strong a word. I really don't know what it sounds like. It just looks rather cheap, IMO. And frankly, I'm surprised that a revered company with a great brand would put their name on a product that was designed and is being manufactured by some other company in China. To be clear: I'm fascinated my the musical instruments industry, and I understand there's a lot of economic pressure on it. Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
Dana. Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 And frankly, I'm surprised that a revered company with a great brand would put their name on a product that was designed and is being manufactured by some other company in China. Are you aware that Kurzweil is owned by Young Chang who is owned by Hyundai?
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Yes. Hyundai and Young Chang are both Korean Companies, I believe. I found the manufacturer of the KA-110: http://medeli.com.hk/ Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
Dana. Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 So this may be a rebadging. Unclear. Medeli makes the actions used in the SP4-7 and SP5-8.
Brettymike Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 I remember years ago when I first saw the Kurzweil name , I thought they were made in Germany . Brett
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 I find Ray Kurzweil's German accent not convincing, though. Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
DulceLabs.com Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Kenny nailed it - the pro market, the "prosumer" market and the casual hobbyist market are all different - yes there is some overlap but they are generally distinct with their own price points. I would guess for every professional musician there are hundreds, if not thousands, of hobbyists. A smart companies earns both fast nickels and slow dimes. Equate it to a car company like Toyota who has a Scion with lower range cars, Toyota with a low-medium-high range and Lexus with the upper range.
Tom Williams Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 PC4 please! Y'know, if I were that horse, I'd prefer to be dead. I don't like where he's being hit. -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361
GDP Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 As a side note...Ray Kurzweil was on "I've Got a Secret" in 1965 at the age of 17.....know what his secret was?
zauberklang Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 Hm, let me think... an early prototype of the reading machine for the blind? Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
Dave Weiser Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 As a side note...Ray Kurzweil was on "I've Got a Secret" in 1965 at the age of 17.....know what his secret was? A classic. [video:youtube] https://www.theboywhowantedtorock.com http://www.weisersound.com https://www.facebook.com/weisersound
zauberklang Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 Amazing! A true prodigy. Music technology is a tool, not a thing in itself.
Jazzmammal Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 Equate it to a car company like Toyota who has a Scion with lower range cars, Toyota with a low-medium-high range and Lexus with the upper range. The real comparison is Toyota's third world cars: http://www.zigwheels.com/newcars/Toyota/Etios-Liva#!summary These are around 7-9K USD. Decent but very basic transportation. The people who sit in the board rooms of multinational corporations are simply focused on return on investment because they all have stock options with the company, if they're not making money they'll sell out and move on. Nobody at that level is a purist about the product. To sell in the third world you have to figure out a way to make a profit on something that sells for a fraction of what it goes for in a first world country. Bob Hammond SK1, Mojo 61, Kurzweil PC3, Korg Pa3x, Roland FA06, Band in a Box, Real Band, Studio One, too much stuff...
SVG Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 I went around Bali in a brand new Kijang (Toyota) jeep kinda vehicle (back in 1997). The wheels contained inner tubes and we had 5 sidewall explosions in the first 2 weeks. Everything is made out of plastic and nary a seatbelt to be found. The car rolled backwards into a gate one day and the passenger door just ripped off like cardboard. And this was a top-of-the-line Kijang... About 4k back in the day. Stephen .
DulceLabs.com Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 the passenger door just ripped off like cardboard. LMAO - all I can picture is this: [video:youtube]
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