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I have been looking at Echos Delays etc. I am not sure what I need as most of the reviews seem to indicate that the analog ones don't work too well with a lot of distortion. I don't think I want to go over $150 as this is just to mess with really as effects are not something I use all that much. I think the Fulltone is out due to cost and I don't really think it will do what I want.

 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/fulltone-custom-shop-tte-delay-effect-tube-tape-echo

 

Maybe the Boss TeraEcho

 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-te-2-tera-echo-guitar-effects-pedal

 

or the DD7

 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-dd-7-digital-delay-guitar-effects-pedal

 

any ideas or suggestions?

 

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http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/mxr-m169-carbon-copy-analog-delay-guitar-effects-pedal <--- MXR Carbon Copy...great pedal and the price is right in your budget! :cool:

 

Agreed. Hard to go wrong with the all-analog Dunlop/MXR Carbon Copy, especially for your described Mission Statement thus far-

 

-speaking of which-

 

-just what all do you want and need in an echo/delay pedal, BadLife? What is it that you want that you think the Fulltone TTE won't do? (Not that I'm arguing that you need to buy a TTE, they ARE quite expensive, large, and I can get a lot of what I'd want from one in a much smaller, much less expensive pedal- not that I wouldn't love to have a TTE, jus' sayin'... :thu: ...fishin' for what you want/need and what you don't here... ) Give us some examples of known recorded sounds and echo/delay effects- links if you can- if you're not sure how to tell us what you're looking and listening for in an echo/delay pedal...

 

Those two digital Boss pedals that you put up links to, the TE-2 Tera Echo and DD-7 digital Delay, look to be pretty good, as well, the DD-7 having a lot of cool features that may or may not be particularly useful to you. Good prices, too.

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I'm with Caevan; you need to decide what you want or need from a Delay effect, and that will help narrow your search.

 

If you just want some Echo trails coming off of your solo lines, or some old-school Pink Floyd/Dave Gilmour sounds, the Carbon Copy, EHX Memory Toy, or the MoogerFooger Mini Delay will all do the job for you. The Moog is closer to $200, but for build quality, it's worth the extra bucks. Boss has also just released an updated, customized version of their classic DM-2, also around $150. Any of these will give you around 300-600mS of Delay Time. The Carbon Copy and the Memory Toy also add Modulation effects to the Repeats.

 

If you need Tap-Tempo effects, long (2 seconds or more) or looping Delay lines, Reverse Delay, or rhythmic effects like Dotted Eighth-Notes, you need a Digital Delay, with all the features you can afford.

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Well I looked at the MXR Carbon Copy, but reviews indicated it was not particularly good at high gain situations.

 

What I would like is a reasonably quite pedal that can handle high gain and also be able to work well with chords.

 

As for sounds more like Gilmore. Longer delays could prove useful, ping pong and slap back are OK but not really what I am looking for.

 

Not sure I can get what I want at the $150 price point.

 

The Fulltone might be able to do all that but it's big and pricey. :deadhorse:

 

I looked at the Boss RE-20 Space Echo Delay / Reverb Pedal

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-re-20-space-echo-delay--reverb-pedal

 

and

 

the

Line 6 DL4 Delay Guitar Effects Pedal

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/line-6-dl4-delay-guitar-effects-pedal

 

They cost more but I am not sure if they are a good value for my situation.

 

I have several multi-effects that have echo, delay etc. They are not that easy to just get the effect you want and change parameters. Too may unusable presets, which are fun to mess with but are too hard to tweak for my tastes. :P

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Hmmmnnn; I'll say that any echo/delay pedal, analog or digital or analog-flavored-digital, will perform better with high-gain overdrive and distortion if the echo/delay pedal is connected in an amplifier's effects-loop, instead of between the guitar and the input of the amp. This way you're echoing distortion, for the most part (output-section and speaker OD/distortion/coloration notwithstanding), rather than distorting echoes, if you follow me, and thus repeats and any wanted oscillation will have better definition.

 

I would think that, if placed in an amp's effects-loop, a Carbon Copy would work just fine, as long as an analog/SS or analog-flavored-digital echo sonic character was what you wanted. Years ago, I found a vintage EH Deluxe Memory man pedal (at the time simply considered "old"! :thu: ) to sound EXCELLENT in the effect-loop of a high-gain tube-amp; its analog, modulated echoes sounded so FAT with high-gain distortion. I would expect the CC to perform similarly enough.

 

I think that you'll get a LOT of bang-for-your-buck and fun with that Boss DD-7, or if that has more features and complexity than you want or need, the Boss TE-2 Terra Echo or the MXR Carbon Copy should be plenty good.

 

Do you want clear echoes cleanly repeating whatever you put in? Or deteriorating repeats that get grungier and darker (or brighter) with more and more character as they trail along?

 

Do you want modulation in the repeats? If so, something akin to chorus, or more like the wow-and-flutter of an old tape machine?

 

Oscillation, ringing character?

 

The sound of crinkled tape and dirty heads?

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I think it would be nice to have the option for clear echoes and the sound of an old tape echo. Seems like digital will have more options than analog. I may not get exactly the same sound as analog but some of the digital pedals have pretty good emulation. I can get the Line 6 from Amazon for $200 and free 2 day shipping so that may be the way to go. The Boss pedals seem to be fairly reliable. Not sure about Line 6. I never really cared for their amps but the Pod line has a good reputation.

 

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I think it would be nice to have the option for clear echoes and the sound of an old tape echo. Seems like digital will have more options than analog. I may not get exactly the same sound as analog but some of the digital pedals have pretty good emulation. I can get the Line 6 from Amazon for $200 and free 2 day shipping so that may be the way to go. The Boss pedals seem to be fairly reliable. Not sure about Line 6. I never really cared for their amps but the Pod line has a good reputation.

 

Some digital-delays can sound fairly convincingly like a tape-echo, and more so than an analog SS echo; that is, analog-delays that DON'T actually use tape. Classic analog-echo typically has its own qualities, charms, and shortcomings, as do tape-echo and digital-delays; some digitally-based delays can and do emulate either SS analog or tape echoes. The thing is to figure out which you want- or find something that does some of each...

 

I think you were on the right track- and within your stated price range- with the Boss DD-7 (Sweetwater Sound has 'em for $149 w/ free shipping). It looks to do anything and everything you're wanting, with some additional features that I think you'll really like. If your amp has an effects-loop, all the better. It's got Left and Right stereo Ins as well as Outs, which might come in handy sometime. And you could also add external expression-pedal controllers later on if you found yourself wanting tap-tempo (you may be able to tap-tempo on the pedal itself as-is, I'm not sure at this point) and to get all wild and creative in real-time.

 

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Yeah the Boss may well do the trick. My Marshall has an effects loop the vintage stuff does not. I guess I could add and effects loop to the old ones but probably should not mod them :blush:

 

I have no such quibbles about the stuff I built myself or the Valve Jr I somehow purchased in a fit of low watt envy :laugh:

 

Should have had the forethought to check on that with a custom built 20 watt head I got years ago :hitt:

 

The only thing now that I think about it is whether it will behave itself with a 1 Spot. My really old DF-1 won't work unless there is a least one other effect being powered by the 1 Spot. Never did figure that out :roll:

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Hey, Badlife, couple of things. First, the Boss DD-7 should be just fine with a 1 Spot. I use 1 Spot adapters to power a number of different Boss/Roland products, with no problems.

 

Second, you'll save some money, and get a longer overall Delay time with the Boss, instead of the Line 6. The Line 6 has some cool sounds, but the maximum Delay Time for any of the Delay models is 2.5 seconds; the Boss should give you around 6 seconds. FWIW, the Line 6 will work with the 1 Spot, but you have to get a small L6 connector cable to power it. Costs around $5.

 

As far as reliability, Boss pedals are known for longevity; treat them decently, they'll last for years, even decades.

 

While I've never had a problem with my original U.S.-made DL4, I've heard plenty of tales of failed switches on all those large Line 6 Modeling pedals. The switches are mounted right to the circuitboard, instead of being hard-mounted on the chassis. Makes for quicker, cheaper assembly, but if a switch breaks, the main board is probably broken, too. Doubleplusungood, as we say . . .

 

Speaking of which, don't even look at the TC Electronic Toneprint pedals, or the Nova Delay. Major fail, and no company support. There was a thread in here about them, a while back, with nothing good to report.

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+1 on Winston's post...the one spot should work very well with the Boss pedal and the Boss pedals hold up as a good work horse to include silent switching.

 

+1 on Caevans post, having a stereo in and out could come in handy (if the pedal is not used in the effects loop IMHO). You can run the Carbon Copy Delay in an effects loop and the MXR will still work very well even if you're tripping into the high gain modes.

 

I've run the Carbon Copy in line with my other pedals in front of the amp, as I don't use Delay with the Distortion or Overdrive and prefer clean tones from the Delay combined with Reverb. I don't care for Line6 products and would still go with the MXR. The Boss would be my second choice... :cool:

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I decided to go with the Boss DD7. I'll see if it's what I was looking for after I get it. Had a $25 gift certificate on Amazon so I got it from them. Hard to beat 2 day shipping if you have Prime which I do. I may end up getting another analog echo to compare with.

 

Have to be careful don't want too many effects :rimshot:

 

Hope this does not lead to the Fulltone that sucker is expensive.

 

Thanks for the advice :cheers:

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I decided to go with the Boss DD7. I'll see if it's what I was looking for after I get it.

 

I think you'll be ridiculously happy with the DD-7. I have a Strymon El Capistan because it will do specific things that I want that most other pedals- even very good ones- don't do; yet if I had the extra cash, I could be very tempted to pick up a DD-7, myself- it's got some great features!

 

IF you happen to experience any odd noise issues running the DD-7 off of a daisy-chain with the 1 Spot (and you probably won't), either in an effects-loop or in series with other pedals in front of an amp, simply try running it on its own separate individual power-supply, so long as it is center-negative DC that can handle 500ma current-draw or more. The Roland/Boss PSA-120S is an excellent candidate, and it's not expensive. For any stubborn noise problems, such as sometimes pop -up in specific places, try running it off from batteries.

 

My Strymons will give up weird hashy noise if sharing a PS on a daisy-chain; and my Boss RT-20 and RC-20XL seem happier and quieter on their own PS's, as well.

 

For example, I run all of my pedals that are in front of my amp- other than some that need their own PS for specific voltage, etc.- off from a 1 Spot daisy-chain.

 

And I run the pedals that are connected in my amp's effects-loop, including two Strymon digital delay and reverb/tremolo pedals and the two digital Boss pedals- from the individual isolated outputs of a Voodoo Lab 'DIGITAL' power-supply, which I opted for due to its high current handling capability (your DD-7 is fairly low-current). My rig has never been as quiet. :cool::2thu:

 

Have to be careful don't want too many effects :rimshot:

 

Hope this does not lead to the Fulltone that sucker is expensive.

 

Haahh! Yeah, I don't think you're going to feel that you have to get a Fulltone TTE or even SSTE for lack of getting what you want in an echo effect. I mean, SURE, I'D LOVE to have one, myself, but I can live without one as long as I can't quite justify the cost for myself. Fulltone products are EXCELLENT, I have and love a Clyde Deluxe Wah and want a Mini Deja 'Vibe 2 or 3, among others from Fulltone. I'm sure that the TTE and SSTE are worth every penny for anyone that can afford one.

 

But you'll get plenty of digital and analog delay colour goodness in that DD-7. If you should happen to get beitten by the tape-delay flavor bug like I did, you could always opt for the El Capistan- pricey, but truly a fraction of the cost of a TTE or SSTE, with much of the features and sounds- and it can do things, be used in ways, that would be impractical or even impossible with a real-live tape-machine. AND it'll fit easily on a pedalboard.

 

 

Hey, Badlife, couple of things. First, the Boss DD-7 should be just fine with a 1 Spot. I use 1 Spot adapters to power a number of different Boss/Roland products, with no problems.

 

Second, you'll save some money, and get a longer overall Delay time with the Boss, instead of the Line 6. The Line 6 has some cool sounds, but the maximum Delay Time for any of the Delay models is 2.5 seconds; the Boss should give you around 6 seconds. FWIW, the Line 6 will work with the 1 Spot, but you have to get a small L6 connector cable to power it. Costs around $5.

 

As far as reliability, Boss pedals are known for longevity; treat them decently, they'll last for years, even decades.

 

While I've never had a problem with my original U.S.-made DL4, I've heard plenty of tales of failed switches on all those large Line 6 Modeling pedals. The switches are mounted right to the circuitboard, instead of being hard-mounted on the chassis. Makes for quicker, cheaper assembly, but if a switch breaks, the main board is probably broken, too. Doubleplusungood, as we say . . .

 

I heartily concur! :cool::2thu:

 

Speaking of which, don't even look at the TC Electronic Toneprint pedals, or the Nova Delay. Major fail, and no company support. There was a thread in here about them, a while back, with nothing good to report.

 

Ain't it the truth... :rolleyes:

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The DD-7 came a while back and I have been testing it on and off. Echo is an interesting effect. Seems like you have to be careful not to get too carried away. Not sure why I would ever need 6.4 seconds of delay. That is like what the heck it's so long after you started. :confused:

 

Strangely enough one of the nice things is to just use the pedal as a signal splitter. Set the Marshall to obliterate and the Ampeg to brutal clean and there you go, at least I like the sound the clean sort of props up the dirty so to speak. Too loud though as they are both 100 watt amps :facepalm:

 

Anyway the BOSS DD-7 is a decent delay with a log of features the backwards echo is interesting but a little on the strange side.

 

The Analog emulation is pretty good.

 

The modulation is OK supposed to give you sort of a chorus effect I think.

 

The stereo output is killer but again that can get too loud if your not careful. :deadhorse:

 

All in all not a bad pedal.

 

I may get a TERA Echo or the new all analog update of there old analog delay.

 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-delay-waza-craft-guitar-effects-pedal

 

 

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I love pedals that allow me to split the signal for "stereo" effects or just to branch off to two amps or an amp and a D/I to a PA and monitors! That's not so strange at all, that's cool.

 

The modulation is supposed to emulate things like the wow and flutter of an old tape-machine echo, and/or the modulation included in some venerable old classic solid-state echoes like the Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man. If the DD-7 works the way I'd expect, the modulation should only be on the echo-repeats, giving them a swimming, shimmering sound. Medium D.Time with long F.Back and moderate, perhaps somewhat low E.Level mix should yield some nice results.

 

Try short D.Time slap-backs with fairly high E.Level mix in the Analog-flavored mode with one or two F.Back repeats; also try this in the Modulate mode. This should sound particularly cool with your two-amp set-up.

 

Also try long trails of F.Back repeats with moderate D.Time and reined-in with the E.Level. Do some volume-swells with your guitar's volume-knob or a volume-pedal.

 

The extra long delay capability is for looping and sound-on-sound layering; play some riffs and licks that fit within that time, let 'em repeat, play over 'em and/or overdub additional parts.

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