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Durability for Dueling Pianos


Jezebez

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Hello,

 

I'm a dueling piano player. My bar has Yamaha CP33s. The keys and keybeds keep breaking and needing costly repairs. This is mainly due to spills and some players beating the hell out them. This is part of the gig. These keyboards get played a lot, by different players, and hard! Rock'n'roll all night long.

 

My repair tech said the Yamaha boards use a lot of plastic and they just get worn out in various spots. It may not be worth fixing them anymore.

 

Can anyone recommend some other stage piano models that have a good history of durable keys and keybeds? We require easy access to the transpose function. It needs to be a button on the panel. Preferably under $1500.

 

I have owned a Kurzweil Sp-88x that has held up very well for years. (It's got metal in it!) Does anybody know if the S4-8 is just as hardy?

 

Thanks for any insights!

 

Neil

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I don't know about the SP4-8, but the Artis not only has transpose buttons right out there (as opposed to being accessed as a "function" ), they are on the left keybed block. Probably the most accessible and usable on all DPs these days. Second to that would be the Yamaha CP4/40. Up there on the panel, dedicated +.

 

Can't speak for any mechanisms being any more industrial strength than the above.

 

 

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I've long believed that pianos and drums in bars should be considered consumables and replaced on a regular schedule. They do it with glasses and point-of-sale tills. Why not with the musical bar equipment? Can't you class it as a capital asset, take depreciation on it over 4 or 5 years, and then replace it when it's written off?
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Hello,

 

 

 

I have owned a Kurzweil Sp-88x that has held up very well for years. (It's got metal in it!) Does anybody know if the S4-8 is just as hardy?

 

Thanks for any insights!

 

Neil

 

I've been playing a Kurz SP4-8 for the last three years. It's worked well for my use. However I don't think it would hold up any better then the Yamaha's your using now. Maybe contact a few keyboard companies and offer your facility for a durability test lab :). ~BOB

I'm practicing so that people can maybe go "wow" at an imaginary gig I'll never play. -Nadroj
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I play Kurzes and Yams. My Kurz key beds (Fatar?) have held up to my abuse and piano-drumming far better than my poor cringing Yamahas.

Muzikteechur is Lonnie, in Kittery, Maine.

 

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Keep in mind the available tech support in your area. If a drink gets spilled in your Kurzweil and there is no one to service it, it doesn't matter how good the keybed is.

 

Maybe they should look into the cheaper Casios that get good reviews?

The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers

 

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They are probably abusing it because they don't like it (for certain).

Invest in something seriously Great sounding and tuff (with the famous Fatar action) > The new Kurzweil Forte , also with the transpose button just above the pitch/mod wheels.

Make them put $1 or $2 into a lockbox each time they play it to help pay for it.

They will then realize good keyboards are not cheap.

(Help your country by buying 2 Fortes :) )

 

Brett

 

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They are probably abusing it because they don't like it (for certain).

Invest in something seriously Great sounding and tuff (with the famous Fatar action) > The new Kurzweil Forte , also with the transpose button just above the pitch/mod wheels.

Make them put $1 or $2 into a lockbox each time they play it to help pay for it.

They will then realize good keyboards are not cheap.

(Help your country by buying 2 Fortes :) )

 

Brett

 

I can't agree, Brett. If they are letting anyone get anywhere near these keyboards with liquids in their hands it makes no sense to spend more than is absolutely necessary.

 

The other solution is to require all players to bring their own board.

The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers

 

People only say "It's a free country" when they're doing something shitty-Demetri Martin

 

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What a good thread!

Playing rock,roll...glissendo blues(etc)i thought some days about how my keyboards are on torture after so many hours of practise and gigs.

 

Just my personal opinion about them(i own and played)all these in present or past):

-CP4:

Very good sensation about reliability

-Rd800/Rd700 nx:

Never had a problem but some vibrations appears..

 

-NORD(stage 2/nord piano 1/nord piano 2):

Like yamaha,never had a problem.

Very good!

 

-KURZWEIL PC3K8:

Same fatar series keybed,and same good feeling as NORD

 

-Yamaha MOXF8:

Consumer plastic and a good bang for the buck.

So very good synth but the keybed (even if pleasant to play)feels plastic and i don't know if it will support all my glissendos in the future like my CP4

I trust more in the CP4 keybed.

 

-KORG(3 sv1):

RH3 problems....lateral move on the keys...strange reliability feeling!

I had 3 SV1 and 2 of them had keybed problem(velocity response and cut off note)

 

Kronos:

I had a kronos 61 with reliability problem(os?,system?...i bring it to the shop after 2 weeks),and take another who was correct.

 

But i have some pro and semi pro friends in france who had reliability problem with the Kronos heavy keybed.(well known issues)

A good friend of mine bring 2 times his kronos 88 for keybed problem.

 

For me today KORG is the baddest brand for reliability.

 

That's why i bought so many different brands but never bought the last korg.

In 25 years of synth buying,i never had a problem with yam and roland,or nord..and in the last years i had problems with 3 korg i bought(2 SV1 and a kronos 61)

 

Just my story here,hope that helps.

Korg was my first pro synth,but i loose all my trust in korg pro synth reliability now.

( i have in my set a high class level korg keyboard:the PA3X pro 76.never had a problem with it,but it's made buy korg italy)

 

Nord stage 2 EX88,Nord electro 5D,roland RD800,Roland FA08,Korg kingkorg,Korg PA4x,Yamaha PSR s970

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Ah yes. Blackpool. Just south of Fleetwood and that famous breeding ground for Blues and Roots music, the Red Marsh Industrial Estate Delta.

 

Duelling Pianos - nothing to do with Jewelling Pianos which was a skill Liberace looked for in a piano tech.

 

 

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