PianoMan51 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Woke up this am with my wife playing this youtube: [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadslayer Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 That sounds remarkably like someone fooling around with an analog synthesizer. Not sure I'd want to wake up to it though. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillNeverPost Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Freaky. From 1:02 to about 1:15 she sounds a lot like an Erhu (Chinese violin) through a low pass filter (no highs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 That is exactly what she is doing. She creates a high resonance filter in her mouth cavity and has the muscle control to change the frequency of that peak independently from the frequency her vocal cords are vibrating. Talk about an analog filter! Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This type of singing has been around for quite a while, apparently. Appears to have originated in Mongolia, and spread from there. Overtone singing 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-string-man Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Can't make my mind up whether that's amazing, or just weird. SSM Occasionally, do something nice for a total stranger. They'll wonder what the hell is going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 It's not the sort of thing to wake up to over your morning coffee - that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brettymike Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 It sounds awful to me. Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnchop Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I suppose it's an acquired taste, but I think it's cool as hell. I first heard Tuvan throat-singing by Kongar-ol Ondar on Jeff Lorber's "Tuva" (West Side Stories album). Ondar turned up again on one of Bela Fleck's albums. It was great to hear in those contexts, although a whole album's worth? I'd probably have a hard time connecting to it, but then I used to listen to Balinese gamalan and monkey chants. (This probably comes off more "look at how hipster I am!" than I intend...) Somewhere in there I watched the "Ghengis Blues" documentary. Worth a watch. Then I got Omnisphere, which among several thousand other things has some great Tuvan throat-singing samples. I make software noises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 How do they teach the monkeys to chant?? Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 The young lady has some nice sine waves. Here is a saw wave oscillator. [video:youtube] "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richforman Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I'm good on background harmonies but a high Q is way out of my range. Rich Forman Yamaha MOXF8, Korg Kronos 2-61, Roland Fantom X7, Ferrofish B4000+ organ module, Roland VR-09, EV ZLX12P, K&M Spider Pro stand, Yamaha S80, Korg Trinity Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 The overtone series is god, cool stuff http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PianoMan51 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 The overtone series is god, cool stuff But then we get to that nasty 'comma'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I don't get it? http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PianoMan51 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 Okay, I'm going into professor mode. Forgive me... I'm not even close to being a mathematician, but let me give it a shot. The Greeks were big into ratios. Hence rationality. The overtones are the frequencies of the various ratios of a string or pipe or bar that can vibrate along with the fundamental. Now consider that we tune a keyboard, starting with C, tuning up a perfect (perfect because you can perfectly tune it using your ears to hear the zero beat point) 5th to get to G. Then tune up another perfect 5th to get to D, and so on until we get back to C. Unfortunately, from the point of view of the Pythagoreans, the C that we started with doesn't equal the C we end up with. The difference between the starting C and the ending C is the musical comma, about a quarter-tone. God, the rational, gets really complicated. And that is why we play on equal tempered instruments, to adjust for the comma. Pop quiz next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Okay, I'm going into professor mode. Forgive me... I'm not even close to being a mathematician, but let me give it a shot. The Greeks were big into ratios. Hence rationality. The overtones are the frequencies of the various ratios of a string or pipe or bar that can vibrate along with the fundamental. Now consider that we tune a keyboard, starting with C, tuning up a perfect (perfect because you can perfectly tune it using your ears to hear the zero beat point) 5th to get to G. Then tune up another perfect 5th to get to D, and so on until we get back to C. Unfortunately, from the point of view of the Pythagoreans, the C that we started with doesn't equal the C we end up with. The difference between the starting C and the ending C is the musical comma, about a quarter-tone. God, the rational, gets really complicated. And that is why we play on equal tempered instruments, to adjust for the comma. Pop quiz next week! That is almost right, but not quite. The interval of fifths is the frequency ratio of 3/2. Going op in fifths (total of 12), as you described, gives (3/2)^12. But in the way we want to "divide" the tones in the system, this should be the same as going up 7 octaves. Octaves have a ratio of 2, so this would be 2^7. But this does not equal (3/2)^12. That difference is the Pythagorean comma. BTW, it is cool a thing, but I won't call it polyphonic singing. The tones are much too related to be called polyphonic in my opinion. Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Yup - in a nutshell, 7 octaves is slightly different to 12 "perfect" (harmonic) fifths - the difference is the comma. I'm good on background harmonies but a high Q is way out of my range. +1! Reminds me of a comedian who did a routine with a guitar. He did a little song with a classic sequence at the end: I I7 first inversion IV #IVdim (etc) And took that dim chord 3 semitones higher repeatedly. Got to somewhere around the 14th fret of his guitar, looked surprised and announced "that was P!" Cheers, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVG Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 In overtone singing, it's the syntonic comma that is the one that makes the tuning more different from Equal Temperament than the Pythagorean comma. The syntonic comma is simply the difference between going up 4 fifths (C, G, D, A, E) and going up a major third (C - E). Up 4 fifths is 408 cents, while a pure major third (5/4) is 386 cents. Pythagorean comma is roughly 23.5 cents, while the syntonic comma is roughly 21.5 cents. But it's all a moot point when you're singing unaccompanied... Stephen . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 This type of singing has been around for quite a while, apparently. Yes, but not polyphonically. Most throat singing uses one of the two notes as a drone. Example: around 2:44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The first video...there's a spot at 3:38 that reminds of a 70s prog rock song or something...maybe by Kansas. Anybody know what I'm talking about? As for the Siberian couple. The girl needs a high-pass filter at about 400Hz. Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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