CEB Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 My GUESS. The market is smallish churches and Non-US individuals. Hammond put out some cool stuff they will not sell in the US. Life the 3300W. H/S doesn't revolve around the US market. Vintage organ are hard to come by in some places. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossbandbob Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 As said before, My guess is that the Leslie is a digital sim, not a rotating or sideways drum/horn. Hammonds:1959 M3,1961 A-101,Vent, 2 Leslies,VB3/Axiom, Casio WK-7500,Yamaha P50m Module/DGX-300 Gig rig:Casio PX-5S/Roland VR-09/Spacestation V3 http://www.petty-larceny-band.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 It has internal speakers and the digital Leslie. A real Leslie can be connected and then the PR-40 tone cabinet simulation used with the internal speakers for a Leslie/TC combination. From the webpage information: "Its small footprint is perfect for smaller Churches, Chapels, Schools, Homes and Studios" It might not be your organ but it will probably be somebody's. Hammond has enough models with a wide variety of feature combinations from the XK-1c to the New B3 MkII that one of them should be just right for most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mak1457 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 As said before, My guess is that the Leslie is a digital sim, not a rotating or sideways drum/horn. Yeah I can see that now from the description from H/S. I guess that would probably lower the cost. Then again, though, for the amount of money they're asking, I'd still rather have a real Leslie. Hammond XK1-c, Hammond XPK-100, Yamaha FC-7, Spacestation V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I read through the previous posts and didn't see anything about the price other than a number posted by Hammondave. I don't think that is actual information from Hammond US. The EU version of the Mini-B looks different from the US version. I couldn't find any information on a EU version of the A-162. Since the cabinets for the US versions of both are made in the US there may not be a EU A-162. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeVtheRipper Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 That SOS article made me realize just how long it's been since Hammond updated it's sound engine from the ground up. They've been milking VASE III for at least 11 years. There have been incremental OS updates here and there. From Hammond's perspective do you think it's a case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it," or do you think a major overhaul is due? Everyone has their own taste in Hammond/Clonewheel sound, But do you think this decade old sound engine can still hold up, especially with the likes of competitors like the MOJO? Do you think Hammond can go there with VASE III? People criticize keyboard companies over dated sounds daily. Kurzweil milked that triple strike piano so long it became the punchline of many a joke on this forum. Just curious. 1974 Rhodes, CP70B, Polivoks, Dominion 1, Behringer D, Mother 32, DFAM, MS20 Mini, Folktek Mescaline, Nord Lead 2x, KArp Odyssey, Jv1080, Digitakt, Hydrasynth, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossbandbob Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I've always wanted to install a real Leslie with right side up drums and horns and louvers firing from 3 sides inside of an M3 or A-100 somehow. It probably could be done with a 12"drum/speaker firing out the side front and back but a box would have to go on top for the horn. The "space saver" Hammond/ Leslie combo. Then again a Vent with 2 powered speakers could pretty much do that job! Hammonds:1959 M3,1961 A-101,Vent, 2 Leslies,VB3/Axiom, Casio WK-7500,Yamaha P50m Module/DGX-300 Gig rig:Casio PX-5S/Roland VR-09/Spacestation V3 http://www.petty-larceny-band.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Harrison Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ... They've been milking VASE III for at least 11 years.... From Hammond's perspective do you think it's a case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it," or do you think a major overhaul is due? Everyone has their own taste in Hammond/Clonewheel sound, but do you think this decade old sound engine can still hold up, especially with the likes of competitors like the MOJO? I have a Hammond XK3c and XK1c and am very happy with their sound, feel, layout and look, although I am hopeful that Hammond will incorporate the XK1c's better-sounding percussion and chorus/vibrato in an upgraded or new version of the XK3c. I also like what I have seen and heard online of the Crumar Mojo, but until there is a local supplier where I can try it or get support, it seems too risky for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 We saw this at NAMM. Seems like old news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashevillecabbie Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 If it has MIDI controller functionality and audio inputs so you could play all your other stuff through it, I could see wanting one--IF I had the room for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I think I would have preferred it have a built in but removable cabinet like the 525/3301 that could be placed somewhere else in the room if desired. Like between 2 Leslies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig MacDonald Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 JMcS, THANKS for all the info on the mini/vintage models.. it's hard to differentiate all of these models.. I need a spreadsheet ;-) Appreciate the info!! Craig Craig MacDonald Hammond BV, Franken-B (A100 in a BV cabinet), Leslies 122/147/44W, Crumar Mojo, HX3 module, Korg Kronos, VR-09, Roland GAIA, Burn, Ventilator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 You're welcome. Hopefully Hammond will update the online catalog soon so all the information is in one document. It is a PITA to have to keep switching from one tab to another to compare specs and other data. The one thing that is constant about the organ models other than the multi-contact circuitry in the keybeds in the flagship New B3 models is that they are all XK-3c based. Which guarantees that there will be future generations of the XK-3c. IMO, YMMV, Yada Yada Yada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-string-man Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 [ I also like what I have seen and heard online of the Crumar Mojo, but until there is a local supplier where I can try it or get support, it seems too risky for me. The support from Crumar is absolutely SUPERB. Ask anyone who has dealt with them. If you have a query, it is not unusual to get a reply from Andrea or Guido within hours, never mind days. They will take your suggestions on board, and if they think your ideas are good will sometimes build them in to a software update if possible. Brilliant company to deal with. SSM Occasionally, do something nice for a total stranger. They'll wonder what the hell is going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-string-man Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 H/S doesn't revolve around the US market. Vintage organ are hard to come by in some places. This made me chuckle, as for the last few months, my main thought about H/S is that "it revolves around the US market". For instance, there is NOT ONE B3 mark 2 in any shop or online store anywhere in the UK. You would be hard pressed to find a single used B3/C3/A100 up for sale in the UK. I've been keeping a casual eye on the market for 6 months, and in that time, one (fairly ropey) example has come up. Over there, you have B3guys, and Hammond Organ World are advertising 68!!! used Hammonds for sale. There are several other outlets too. We seem to be wandering in a desert, and my perception - rightly or wrongly - is that over there, you are drowning in the damned things. Fair enough, but please don't tell me that you are ill served in the US. I realise that you may have to travel some distance, but there are still options. We have none. SSM Occasionally, do something nice for a total stranger. They'll wonder what the hell is going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 One of Hammonds most cool products is/was the 3300W. (I don't know if it is still on the market). Was never released in the US. Not available in the US. It is a 3300 in a traditional wooden cabinet. http://www.hammond.eu/3300w.htm "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phnymiboy Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Just got a reply from Hammond. $12,995.00. In the immortal words of Hammonddave, OY! http://bigfun3.bandcamp.com www.facebook.com/BigFunThree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Not bad. The XK33c Traditional Pro Rig will run 8 grand. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phnymiboy Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yeah I know. I was only half kiddin'. But this is what Hammond calls modest pricing? http://bigfun3.bandcamp.com www.facebook.com/BigFunThree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yes. Organs are expensive. You should go shopping for new Church or Threater Organs. Look at Allen, Gulbransen, Rodgers etc.... Hammond is very price competitive. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phnymiboy Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 I know they are expensive, having had a few. Just a bad attempt at humor. http://bigfun3.bandcamp.com www.facebook.com/BigFunThree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-string-man Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 One of Hammonds most cool products is/was the 3300W. (I don't know if it is still on the market). Was never released in the US. Not available in the US. It is a 3300 in a traditional wooden cabinet. http://www.hammond.eu/3300w.htm No idea why that was. Still available here, special order only, £3159 ($5300). Thomann do them, and I think they ship to the US, but I dread to think what the carriage charges would be. SSM Occasionally, do something nice for a total stranger. They'll wonder what the hell is going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Harrison Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 [i also like what I have seen and heard online of the Crumar Mojo, but until there is a local supplier where I can try it or get support, it seems too risky for me. The support from Crumar is absolutely SUPERB.... Brilliant company to deal with. I do get the impression from this and other forums that Crumar are very responsive; however, there is nowhere on my side of the world that I can try a Mojo or get parts or repairs promptly if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill bosco Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 being in Europe I would think it would be a no-brainer to just go with a keyb or a mojo , both are a lot more bang for the buck over anything HS is selling , well , in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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