ManInTheBox Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The main guitar line, is that straight quarter notes? Are they triplets? Is the tune in straight 4/4? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuI61cTNbAk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 No no yes. Do you read music? I could do you a quick chart. (Not guitar tab-iirc Dominic's using some unusual shapes high on the neck, bass strings) Are you a guitarist? Cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Crap! I misread the title of this thread and thought you were talking about this similarly-titled Sting tune, which is definitely not on 4/4 but in 7/4: [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ8uF0u94C0 Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I hear the main guitar line as 4/4, with tap delay. And David Sancious! Have always dug his work - like Lyle Mays, wish Sancious had more solo stuff released. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManInTheBox Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 No no yes. Do you read music? I could do you a quick chart. (Not guitar tab-iirc Dominic's using some unusual shapes high on the neck, bass strings) Are you a guitarist? Cheers, Mike I can read music. Slowly, not very well, but I can do it. I am a guitarist, with bad timing. I can play this line on both guitar or piano, but I'm having trouble playing this to a click with either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 OK, metronome time. The song is in 4/4, with the rhythms on 16th-note boundaries. Chord changes every two beats = eight 16th-notes. Over the first three chords, the notes of the riff strike on: - Beat one - A 16th before beat two - A 16th after beat two That's the first, fourth and sixth 16th-notes of each two-beat cycle. So set the metronome to about 200 and those are 16th-notes. Now on a cycle of eight ticks, clap hands on the first, fourth and sixth ticks. (That's slower than the song, but it will still help you internalise the rhythm). Get that solid. Then drop the metronome to 100 (the metronome is ticking 8th-notes now), and keep clapping. This time - the first clap will be on tick 1 - the second clap will be between ticks 2 and 3 - the third clap will be between ticks 3 and 4 That's going to be hard for "a guitarist with bad timing". Stick at it. When that's secure, you can gradually raise the tempo about 160-180. Make sure you've got that rhythm down every time before notching the metronome up. If that's OK, halve the metronome again to 90 (it's ticking quarter-notes now). You're now clapping on tick 1, and just before/just after tick 2. Now you go back to the beginning (metronome ticking 16ths), but play the riff instead of clapping. Halve the metronome, accelerate, halve again. You should be good to go. Cheers, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManInTheBox Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 If that's OK, halve the metronome again to 90 (it's ticking quarter-notes now). You're now clapping on tick 1, and just before/just after tick 2. Now you go back to the beginning (metronome ticking 16ths), but play the riff instead of clapping. Halve the metronome, accelerate, halve again. You should be good to go. Cheers, Mike. Thanks for such a detailed post. So when I get back to recording this into my DAW, every note will not fall directly on a beat? There will be one or two just before/just after tick 2. So I shouldn't try to quantize, or should I quantize at 32nd or 64th notes? It sounds better before I quantize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nightime Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 If you quantize and it doesn't sound right, it could be moving the note the wrong direction. You should be able to shift individual notes to the proper timing. Sure, it can work very work intensive, but once you get it right, you'll know just what tick to set each note on. You should be able to use 16th note quantize, since that is the base time value. If it sounds late after the quantize, move it a 16th earlier, and so on. Do this on 2 measures, until you have it sounding perfectly, then make a note of the actual ticks. One of my favorite songs of his. "In the beginning, Adam had the blues, 'cause he was lonesome. So God helped him and created woman. Now everybody's got the blues." Willie Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 http://www.scribd.com/doc/152022831/Sting-Shape-of-My-Heart Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 You should be able to use 16th note quantize, since that is the base time value. If it sounds late after the quantize, move it a 16th earlier, and so on. Do this on 2 measures, until you have it sounding perfectly, then make a note of the actual ticks. Agreed, but don't get hung up on the technology. If you can clap that1-4-6 rhythm against a metronome then your 16th noted will sound much tighter, and quantise won't ruin them Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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