CP4 Weirdness

[dazzjazz]

Fellow CP4 owners,

See if you can replicate this strange UI behaviour.

 

When in Voice mode, select a sound, hit edit, change anything you like. Exit edit mode.

Now, enter Performance Direct Select mode by pressing Shift + Performance.

 

Does Performance #1 now have the sonic characteristics of the voice mode sound you just edited? This has happened a few times to me, it's very strange indeed. To my way of thinking, the Performance #1 should have loaded, erasing the edit which I had just done.

 

 

[Alexander Nagel]

Fellow CP4 owners,

See if you can replicate this strange UI behaviour.

 

When in Voice mode, select a sound, hit edit, change anything you like. Exit edit mode.

 

AFAIK there is no such thing as voice mode - there's only performance mode.

 

Now, enter Performance Direct Select mode by pressing Shift + Performance.

 

Does Performance #1 now have the sonic characteristics of the voice mode sound you just edited? This has happened a few times to me, it's very strange indeed. To my way of thinking, the Performance #1 should have loaded, erasing the edit which I had just done.

 

 

As I understand it: You edit a few things (still using a certain performance). By pressing SHIFT + PERFORMANCE you have NOT selected anything new - you're still using this same performance. That's why it still sounds the way you edited.

 

I may be completely wrong, as I'm not (yet) a CP4 owner ;-)

 

Alex

[JB Sherry]

Had to dig up and quote this BadMister post from the other thread:

 

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Phil Clendeninn here, Yamaha product guy... There is some confusion about the VOICE architecture of the new CP4 Stage. It would help if you knew there is no VOICE mode. When I say that I'm referring to a separate USER VOICE bank, like you might find in a synth, like the Motif-series. Edits made to any program are stored in a PERFORMANCE.

 

You are always editing a PERFORMANCE. The concept of this Stage Piano is that each Program (called a PERFORMANCE) sets up both the internal engine (3 PARTS: Main, Layer, Split) and any external devices (via 4 Zones)... such that when you recall a PERFORMANCE you are set for everything you need to do. The Layer and Split Voices can be "in waiting"... setup, but not active.

 

When you want to start programming "from scratch" - this entails [sHIFT] + [ENTER], referred to as a QUICK RESET. This is your INITIALIZED PERFORMANCE if you will. You are working in an EDIT BUFFER - and nothing is harmed or permanently changed until you target a PERFORMANCE location to STORE your program.

 

When you select a VOICE for one of the three internal PARTS it is recalled with certain parameters that make it work. If you do not start with the QUICK RESET, you may find that you have inherited some parameters. This can be understood when you realize that a VOICE includes its INSERTION EFFECTS but does not include the SYSTEM EFFECTS. Here's how that happens:

 

The INSERTION EFFECTS are apart of the Voice and automatically come along when you select a VOICE for the MAIN, LAYER or SPLIT PART. Insertion Effects are like a musicians personal effects. They use them alone

The SYSTEM EFFECTS are the effects that behave like those on a mixer (SEND/RETURN scheme)... all parts have access to these via a system similar to AUXILIARY SENDS on a mixer.

 

The acoustic piano might have a DAMPER RESONANCE as one of its INSERTION EFFECTS (this recreates the soundboard resonance and is linked to the Sustain pedal). The soundboard is very much apart of the acoustic piano emulating its internal reverberation system. It is the personal effect belonging to the acoustic piano.

 

The SYSTEM EFFECT might be a REVERB HALL (this recreate the outer environment - the room acoustics) not really apart of the piano Voice itself. But apart of the 'mixer' that the three PARTS are connected to.

 

So if three musicians enter the studio, they each can bring their own two INSERTION EFFECTS and each has its own Volume (called its "GAIN")... they each have a channel on the studio's MIXER...with Volume parameter (Fader) and SEND amounts to the two SYSTEM Effects (they all share the System Effect but each has its own SEND amount control). The System Effects belong to the studio. If you swap Voices for a PART, the new Voice will come with its own two INSERTION EFFECTS but according to the PART (or channel of the MIXER) you place it will mean that it inherits the volume, pan position, System Effect Send amount, etc., that are functions of the mixer. Same as if you plugged a new instrument into a mixer channel that was previously setup for a different instrument.

 

When you recall any of the four hundred Voices in the CP4 STAGE, you can edit anything about them, change the INSERTION EFFECT to whatever you want... but you don't store it to a USER VOICE, you store it to a PERFORMANCE. The PERFORMANCES are in USER memory, please, please, please re-write them to your requirements. The Factory placed the ones you find - just as suggestions.

 

For more info on the CP4 Stage Voice architecture, I placed a more complete explanation over on Motifator.com in the BadMister's Blog area.

http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/cp4_stage

Hope this helps.

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