nadroj Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 ...make sure it's set at the right frequency. This is an old video and many of you have probably seen it before but I just discovered it and (for some reason) can't stop watching it. Wow. I wonder what went through their heads when they strummed that first chord. And how do you even pitch to that? You don't, apparently. [video:youtube]Mjx_GjyXCs4&feature=player_embedded Hammond SKX Mainstage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawai James Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I've seen this before, but it's still awesome. I seem to recall it was caused by the CD track (44.1 kHz) being played back on a DAT machine (48 kHz) or something similar? James x Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own. Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 If you're going to use a backing track... DON'T! '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I've seen this before, but it's still awesome. I seem to recall it was caused by the CD track (44.1 kHz) being played back on a DAT machine (48 kHz) or something similar? James x Or Mr. Van Halen being stoned out of his mind... Funny.. the bass and the vocals are in tune... '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 can't even get through watching that. Really, you might as well jump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Maybe they had Dallas Dave's sound guy. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/smoke/toke.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blong5150 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I think it was the guitar tech's fault. The keyboard track is always 1/2 step higher.... was the same here in Atlanta. Eddie got handed a guitar in standard tuning and couldn't compensate! Roland Jupiter 80, Roland FA-08, Yamaha MOXF6, Nektar Impact LX61, Macbook Air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Maybe they had Dallas Dave's sound guy. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/smoke/toke.gif I see what you did there. David Gig Rig:Roland Fantom-08| Yamaha MODX+ 6 | MacBook Pro 14" M1| Mainstage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phloid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 The song was set up to play in a different key so David Lee Roth could hit the notes. Eddie grabbed the wrong guitar. What you hear is him playing a guitar that is not tuned to the backing track's key. The bass is in the correct key. At that point in history Eddie was too drunk to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real MC Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 That would mean the drums were in a different key too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 That would mean the drums were in a different key too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charleston Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 He clearly noticed there was a problem. The track is in the same key & tuning as in every other video from that tour. They play it a half-step HIGHER live (C#), not lower (so nothing to do with DLR "hitting the notes"). EVH played the same guitar from the last song (as always on that tour). Supposedly the neck was displaced from a hard hit at the end of the last song. EVH was trying to adjust, (probably thinking the problem was everything but neck displacement) but just should have asked the tech for another guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phloid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I was going by what I heard described on Howard Stern. It was quite a while ago. The discussion could have included general live performance scenarios. It could have been that he forgot to grab a different guitar instead of grabbing the wrong one. It is not clear at all that EVH was aware of a problem though. Look carefully and you will see him doing what he does during a lot of songs. If he was aware of anything weird he had no idea how bad it was and in this case it means he was oblivious. Who would have continued playing the song fully aware of how bad it sounded? He continues oblivious to the crap coming out of the system. They should have stopped and regrouped. A band starting a song over because of technical problems is not unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Except that the crowd did not seem to notice or mind, probably because most of them could not tell the difference either..... '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I can't believe this is STILL being debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 This clip is a travesty. But I can tell you that playing a venue like that with that amount of sound reinforcement, everything is such a roar/blur, that he did really the only thing he could do: KEEP GOING. (Of course, he could have dropped out and let the band finish too.) Stopping the encore to address glitches would just be ridiculous. Its just unfortunate that everything anyone does now is preserved for posterity. But hey.thats the price of fameand infamy. Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I disagree with "Never stop the show." This is a perfect example where it's just plain wrong. He could have gotten a good laugh out of it, but instead he gets what he deserves: ridicule. But yeah, we've discussed it to death. I did some careful comparisons the last time this went around (first time for me), and there's direct evidence that a lot of the theories are just plain wrong. I don't remember which theory fit best, but I think it was an improperly tuned guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Beaumont Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 There are some perfectly good reasons to stop this definitely qualifies to me, but as rule in most cases can be handled without everyone stopping. I have replaced a PA power amp with a spare in the same rack during an impromptu drum solo. The owner of the club was so impressed he gave us an extra $50 which of course went to our drummer! Boards: Kurzweil SP-6, Roland FA-08, VR-09, DeepMind 12 Modules: Korg Radias, Roland D-05, Bk7-m & Sonic Cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blong5150 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Read the comments on the YouTube video.... Some of those people thing they are geniuses! Roland Jupiter 80, Roland FA-08, Yamaha MOXF6, Nektar Impact LX61, Macbook Air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I can't believe this is STILL being debated. Slow day on the forum, perhaps? When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charleston Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Yeah, amazing how nothing is ever debated more than once at KC. Now on to something new and fresh, like how many keys are needed on a synth, or which organ clone is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mul Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 So what key is sweet home Alabama actually in ?? Korg kronos, casio px5s, studiologic sl 88 studio, korg m50,korg triton, yamaha moxf6, hammond xk1, korg sp200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brettymike Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 They are an awesome band , but they are getting what they deserve by using a backing track/s , and that's all there is to it . Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadroj Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 So what key is sweet home Alabama actually in ?? Oh no, while I haven't seen that debated on these forums yet (haven't been here long enough) it's a subject of great debate in SO many musical circles. Can't dep for a covers band without having everyone (even the drummer) debate this. As for this video, I did say I thought most of you would have seen it! In regards to them going on with the show, I think if they stopped mid-encore, took a break, fixed it then came back for a second sub-encore, it would have been much worse. The fact that they keep playing despite the problem makes it professional (even if most of the live audience didn't know a thing was wrong). But saying that, really, the whole "if something goes wrong, don't stop - keep going" thing is a common staple of musicianship that's often the first thing anyone is taught. (of course this doesn't apply if you're a classical pianist and someone's phone goes off whilst you're playing...) Hammond SKX Mainstage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 They are an awesome band , but they are getting what they deserve by using a backing track/s , and that's all there is to it . Brett I'd say that they could have had a KB player on the tour instead of using backing tracks, or made sure everyone was on the same page. If the guitar was not the right tuning for the song, it might have been better to walk over to the guys tuning the guitars and grab the right one. EVH guitar sounds awful. Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 "if something goes wrong, don't stop - keep going" thing is a common staple of musicianship that's often the first thing anyone is taught. (of course this doesn't apply if you're a classical pianist and someone's phone goes off whilst you're playing...) Since there is keyboard playing throughout, Eddie could have stopped playing, took off his guitar, and got the correct guitar from his guitar tech in about 20 seconds... or he could have just retuned his guitar himself in real time in about 30 seconds. If he was not wasted... '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthaholic Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Saw them in Mobile the early-mid 1980s, back when Eddie was sober and DLR was the drunk. Roth sat on the edge of the stage with a bottle of Jack Daniels for a number of songs. They were awful. The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers People only say "It's a free country" when they're doing something shitty-Demetri Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 If you're going to use a backing track...use a flash format! Even MD players - they don't skip. Nightwish has used them for years, and they've never had any f-ups. http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 the whole "if something goes wrong, don't stop - keep going" thing is a common staple of musicianship that's often the first thing anyone is taught. But, that's usually in reference to a clam or mistake, like playing the wrong chord or note at one point. In this case, there is at least one instrument that's wildly out of tune with the others for the entire song. Imagine if you're one of those who uses the Transpose button on your keyboard for some songs. You just finished a song where you play it with Transpose on, but you forgot to turn it off for the next song and that song is in standard tuning (no transpose). The song starts and you suddenly are hit with the fact that you're clashing terribly with the rest of the band. Do you just keep playing as if nothing is wrong? Or do you try to correct the problem by turning off Transpose? Maybe you can't do that easily and you transpose back manually to compensate. Or maybe you stop playing while the band continues (if the song isn't dependent on your parts). But you don't keep playing the wrong thing no matter what, as if nothing is wrong. [video:youtube] "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 [video:youtube] Gee... had had time to take his guitar off, and throw the monitor off the stage at someone... but I guess he did not have enough time to change his guitar when he was playing off key. What a jerk! '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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