Joe Muscara Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 You fellas who have a Mojo...is it true that there is a long boot up time? Timed it this morning. 25-30 seconds. Since the Mojo is *actually* a computer, I'd recommend using a UPS with it at all times. This would be helpful if there are power glitches at the gig, and could prevent damage to the unit as well. (It's gotten to the point where this is true for just about all modern keyboards, though I imagine some are more robust about it than others. I wonder how well the Mojo handles having the power cut off instead of a proper shutdown.) "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Absolutely. I bought a UPS with a battery backup as soon as I got the Mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Towne Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 In addition to all of the factors that others on this thread have mentioned, let me add my opinion that the C/V on the Mojo is not only far superior to the Nord, it is adjustable. I played the C2D for a long time in a store one day and it was a very fun keyboard to play. I really like the action. However, it still sounds like a Nord in the top octave. The C/V just craps out in that area. The Mojo, however, just sounds right. Endorsing Artist/Ambassador for MAG Organs and Motion Sound Amplifiers, Organ player for SRT - www.srtgroove.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsringoen Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 What is UPS? Is this something i should consider buying? Nordpaino HA88 | Nord electro3 | Roland Lx10-f | Crumar Mojo | Leslie 3300 | Hammond A-100 | Leslie 147 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Uninterruptible Power Supply. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsringoen Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ahh! makes sense! Is UPS expensive ? Nordpaino HA88 | Nord electro3 | Roland Lx10-f | Crumar Mojo | Leslie 3300 | Hammond A-100 | Leslie 147 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 They are a lot cheaper than they used to be. Over here you can find small ones starting at $45. I would spend a considerable more than that and run all my digital gear on it and get one with some LCD diagnostic displays that let me know a little bit about what is going on with the environmenatal voltage. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B3Nut Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 You can get a nice UPS for not much money, a CyberPower 850 (available from newegg or CDW or several other online IT shops) can be had for around $130 or so. Avoid the low-end home-office APC units, we quit buying them for our office desktops at work because of a rash of early failures including multiple DOA units. I went to deploy one and it spit out a shower of sparks when I powered it up. The CyberPower units have been reliable, many dozens of units deployed and no issues. TP --- Todd A. Phipps "...no, I'm not a Hammondoholic...I can stop anytime..." http://www.facebook.com/b3nut ** http://www.blueolives.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Towne Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I will chime in here and say that a UPS is not a required piece of equipment for a Crumar Mojo. I have had mine since they were released and never needed one. Endorsing Artist/Ambassador for MAG Organs and Motion Sound Amplifiers, Organ player for SRT - www.srtgroove.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Re UPS I have never needed one.. it is not necessary.. it is maybe like having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen kind of thing... unlikely you will use it, esp if you are a microwave guy!! +1 for Mojo. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesB3 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 There is a dealer close to me that sells used Leslie's, with guarantees so they do work. I live in norway, and there is a rule that when i buy things like music equipment I have ha guarantee for 3 years. If any system failure, that I didn't cause, it will be reappeared by the seller (short version). So, he has some used 145 for example. I have very little experience with Leslie's. Is that a good choice? Its almost 1/4 cheaper then a new 3300? (Great responses! thank you everyone, its my first time using this forum. cheers) I love the sound of my 145 but just know that if you're playing with Rock or Blues guitarists, it will have to be mic'ed to compete with them. Unless you are working large venues with competent sound reinforcement, I would advise bringing your own mics and a small mixer and sending them your upper and lower rotor mix to them rather than allowing them to determine your mix. If you have more than two channels in the mixer, you can pre-mix your piano and/or synth as well. The 145 of course will require an 1147 11 pin to 6 pin conversion kit. As far as roadworthiness, I think the 145 is fine if transported upright. Make sure your vehicle can do this. Also Marshal amp type tube retainers can be used to make sure the power tubes stay seated. If you don't want all this hassle then go for the 3300 but IMHO the 145 is hands down the better tone. '58 B3; 145 gig Leslie; 50C Leslie converted to 147 out; Nord Electro 61; Oberheim OB3^2; Wurlitzer 200A; Ampeg Gemini II amp; Speakeasy Leslie preamp; QSC K-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 You fellas who have a Mojo...is it true that there is a long boot up time? Timed it this morning. 25-30 seconds. Since the Mojo is *actually* a computer, I'd recommend using a UPS with it at all times. This would be helpful if there are power glitches at the gig, and could prevent damage to the unit as well. (It's gotten to the point where this is true for just about all modern keyboards, though I imagine some are more robust about it than others. I wonder how well the Mojo handles having the power cut off instead of a proper shutdown.) Is this UPS recommendation based on? Your experience on gigs? Others? I have thought about getting one. They are kind of heavy to lug around. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 From BluesB3 As far as roadworthiness, I think the 145 is fine if transported upright. Make sure your vehicle can do this. Also Marshal amp type tube retainers can be used to make sure the power tubes stay seated. If you don't want all this hassle then go for the 3300 but IMHO the 145 is hands down the better tone. I own a stock one in storage where it gets hot. Have not used it for ten years. ( The storage has been about 2 years ) are there tube mods I should know about? My latest "hero" for B3 is Mr Chester Thompson. What a sound he gets! SOmehow I don't think he is using a 145 though! Your thoughts on a 145 possibly being used to create that sound; which is more likely 2 122's ? I am sure the OP will find this interesting. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthiola Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Someone has to vote for the C2D Im not going to argue the Mojo is better sounding, it probably is, but Ive never played it, so I did own just about every other clone known to man and currently own C2D. The C2D has a few advantages not mentioned yet. I own several Nords and the (build) quality is superb. Theyre very reliable instruments. Nord is obsessed with quality control. Many parts are sourced in Europe. For example the power supply of the pedalkeys is made in Norway. C2D boots in just over 6 seconds. It lacks latency, it plays ultra fast. From what I understand the Mojo is build around PC components, that alone would turn me off. I owned a Korg Oasys which also is built with generic PC parts and had a lot of reliability issues, more than all keyboards I ever owned together (over 100, yes Im a junky). The sound is typically Nord, bright, punchy, in your face. Its not as creamy as some other clones, but if you want to cut through it is hard to beat. I play lot with guitarists and loud drummers and the Nord is always on top. I regularly receive compliments about the sound, rarely with other keys... One other thing, C2D is not the same engine as E3 or NS2, it has a couple of improvements that may not seem much on paper, but make a huge difference. Its more three dimensional, organic, though still not as creamy as most others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 To clarify, there's nothing inherent in a Mojo that would require a UPS. I think it's a good idea for any rig. I've played some places with some sketchy power setups. It just makes me feel a bit better. Insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 To clarify, there's nothing inherent in a Mojo that would require a UPS. I think it's a good idea for any rig. I've played some places with some sketchy power setups. It just makes me feel a bit better. Insurance. This. Subjecting $12,000 worth of digital gear to possible brown out conditions just makes running a $150 UPS seem right. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solpincus Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I agree about the Nord . I'm from the school where it is HOW you play that counts, assuming that you have the requisite sound that satisfies you. The Mojo seems empirically to be the first choice on this forum, which is totally cool, but after having 6 previous clones, all with drawbars, the Nord C2 was more than good enough. The problem with organ clones is often the sound of the INSTRUMENT is more important than what the player DOES with it . Make no mistake, the MOJO is a fine sounding clone, probably the best for it's price range, but I place more emphasis on how dependable the axe is. Admittedly, the issues that players have with the Mojo is nothing too objectionable, compared with the endless problems i had with my former clones . It's like buying a high performance car : if you are mechanically inclined, than you might not mind fiddling around with it endlessly, but if you are NOT mechanically inclined ( with expert electronic knowledge, than you might opt for the less problematic solution. If somehow, my nord wound up stolen, i may think about my options with other clones, but more than likely , i would get the Nord C2d, although, frankly, i prefer it without the c2d upgrade ( the Nord c2), because of the overdrive & the percussion. Hell, if i had to settle for something not gig-worthy because of it's weight, ( i could only play it at home) it would be the B3. if it had to be a clone, i would settle for the digital Korg bx3, the Roland vk88, or even the Viscount OB5 (with a ventilator, or a real vintage leslie). By itself, the C2d sounds eons better than any of these. But we all have our preferences....... robert w nuckels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsringoen Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 How is the controll panel on the mojo? Im used to the nord panel, and often think its the best and live-friendly panel of alot of keys! Is it a problem that the drawbars on the mojo only work when you select manuel? And that the presets are kinda fixed? Nordpaino HA88 | Nord electro3 | Roland Lx10-f | Crumar Mojo | Leslie 3300 | Hammond A-100 | Leslie 147 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Is it a problem that the drawbars on the mojo only work when you select manuel? And that the presets are kinda fixed? Not for me, because that's how a real Hammond console's presets work. They are not fixed at all - just hold one down for a couple of seconds to store the current drawbar settings. The vibe of this organ is "behave as much like a real console as possible." That speaks to a lot of veteran tonewheel players. Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesB3 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Hi (I miss Richard Tee too) Chester is going to sound good on anything he plays. Point was a properly maintained wooden tube Leslie is going to have the best tone. I'd have bought a 142 if one had come up before the 145. No mods on the 145. I just had the caps replaced, some new resistors and diodes and put the new RI Tungsols in it. Sounds good to me but it ain't going to make me sound like Chester. '58 B3; 145 gig Leslie; 50C Leslie converted to 147 out; Nord Electro 61; Oberheim OB3^2; Wurlitzer 200A; Ampeg Gemini II amp; Speakeasy Leslie preamp; QSC K-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Is this UPS recommendation based on? Your experience on gigs? Others? I have thought about getting one. They are kind of heavy to lug around. My experience with computers as well as just the idea of a power flicker at a gig in the middle of a tune and having to wait for a keyboard (or several) to reboot. I've been lucky. I've never lost power during a gig, but I have during setup. That said, I don't currently use any keyboards that have longer boot times. But think about it. If the power flickers for the rest of the band, they're up and running as soon as it comes back, unless they're using some complicated rig. And then they're all waiting on you... "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDoe Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Can`t the rest of the band just continue to play until my rig is back on track? "This is my rig, and if you don´t like it....well, I have others!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 That depends on the tune and where you are in it. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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