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help! My VST setup keeps crashing!


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Id greatly appreciate advice about s VSTs and MIDI hardware set up.

 

For the past couple of months, Ive been running my MIDI setup through USB MIDI. In other words USB out for each of my 2 keyboards to USB in on my laptop. Im also running a Korg NanoKontroller through USB MIDI. So I have three devices going into the computer via USB. Im running Cantabile Performer as my DAW, and have four or five virtual instrument plug-ins. The computer is a Toshiba Satellite Pro thats about a year old. Theoretically, it has plenty of processing capacity and RAM to run my set up. Im using the built-in a sound card.

 

The problem is that Cantabile crashes a lot. Last night, for example, at practice I ran my set up for about an hour without any problems. Then the output became extremely distorted to the point that only distortion and no notes were recognizable when I pressed the keyboard. The computer was mostly unresponsive but I was able to go into Task Manager and Eventually was able to close Cantabile. When I reopened Cantabile, everything was okay. Then a little bit later, I started getting a very loud white noise kind of sound with frequent popping sounds mixed in.

 

Im using ASIO4ALL as the audio driver (I have the latest update). Its set to the default level, which theoretically minimizes the likelihood of the program crashing. The CPU load always stays low when Im running my set up, regardless of how many VSTs are active.

 

What's going on? Im wondering if I need to look at a different set-up to run my virtual instruments. I really like the sound Im getting from my VSTs but I cant continue justifying using them, especially when playing live, when things are so unpredictable. And I dont have an arm and a leg to spend to remedy the situation.

 

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Lee

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four or five virtual instrument plug-ins.

 

Which ones?

 

Also, have you optimized your system for audio (wireless off, unnecessary services turned off, etc.)?

 

I'm wondering if there was a CPU spike caused by something other than Cantabile.

 

On the other hand, your VSTs may have a conflict with each other.

 

Anyway, if you could let us know what you're running, maybe we could try to reproduce it.

 

Also, what were you doing when this started? Were you playing at all? Were you sending bank/program changes?

 

-John

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...Im using the built-in a sound card.

 

Im using ASIO4ALL as the audio driver (I have the latest update).

 

Here's your trouble. I had issues with Cantabile and the ASIO4ALL driver with the built-in soundcard of my Win7 laptop. I went to an inexpensive interface (Presonus AudioBox 2x2) and their drivers, and had no troubles after that. Built-in sound cards are NOT the way to go. Hope this helps.

 

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Heh, I wasn't gonna say, but I shoulda. :)

 

Yeah, the ASIO4ALL stuff is fine in a pinch, but there's no way I personally would use that driver + onboard sound in a live setting.

 

On the other hand, there may really be something up with the VSTs, but yeah, it would be good to eliminate the "just sort of good enough" audio I/O.

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You might want to do a system restore back a couple of weeks when everything was working fine. Then you can uninstall or repair or go from there. You may want to give Brainspawn Forte a trial and see if it is more stable for you. Doesn't it do the same thing as Cantible? A PC version of Mainstage?

 

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four or five virtual instrument plug-ins.

 

Which ones?

 

VB3, LoungeLizard Session, Tacky Clav, LFX-1310, all active. CPU load about 5%

 

Also, have you optimized your system for audio (wireless off, unnecessary services turned off, etc.)?

 

Hadn't turned off wireless, but that's easy enough to remedy

 

On the other hand, your VSTs may have a conflict with each other.

 

Were you playing at all? Were you sending bank/program changes?

 

I wasn't playing, then I touched a key and noticed the distortion. Don't recall if I was sending program changes. I'll look into that next practice.

 

-John

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I'd greatly appreciate advice about VSTs and MIDI hardware set up.

 

I'm wondering if I need to look at a different set-up to run my virtual instruments. I really like the sound I'm getting from my VSTs but ...things are so unpredictable.

 

You mention money being an issue - how much of an issue?

 

I don't want a long post detailing what I tried.

 

Short(ish) version, eventually had some reasonable success reinstalling XP, desktops proved better than laptops, best to have multiple hard drives - and the older PCI card I had was more robust than the USB 2 interface I tried.

 

If I was chasing it again I'd try Mac (and Firewire).

 

I'd like two Muse Receptors (one as a back up on an A/B switch) - can't justify it with the paid music work I have on (agency functions, rehearsal pianist, folk scene accompaniment, some teaching).

 

I'm still considering it (Muse Receptor) as a "hobby" purchase - though the kids are still young and family holiday takes priority.

 

I really wish you good luck. (I'm back to all hardware for live and most studio sessions BTW).

 

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I had a lot of problems in my attempt to use ASIO4ALL that went away with a dedicated MIDI/audio card and the specific drivers for that card.

The setup I wound up using was a ThinkPad R52 (which has both the older style and newer slots for add-on cards) along with an eMu 1616m audio/midi connection. Works quite well, even with large instruments such as EWQL's Pianos Gold - but was enough of a pain to set up all the fiddly bits and pieces that I went back to using hardware only for live work, and using the soft synth stuff only in the studio, where I don't have to haul it around.

 

A good dedicated audio interface card will do a lot of its own processing and relieve the load on the main computer processor considerably is another advantage.

 

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