Outkaster Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Those 60's vintage Corgi toys are worth a lot. I sold my Batmobile and Bat boat awhile back for a lot. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwhite9 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Sean Connery said that Timothy Dalton underestimated the role and thats why he failed at it. Q had a big role in one of Daltons movies and the most screen time he ever had in one Bond movie. With Dalton they made an understated spy film about a Soviet spy in Afghanistan and some financial deals and a cellist. It lacked the over-the-top campiness and comic book wannabe dictators like Moonraker of other Moore films. Not to mention it was relased during the Iran-Contra hearings. Reagan would have made a better Bond villian with Star Wars, the Casey October Surprise conspiracy rumors, Secord's Southern Air Transport, etc.. Doonsebury's Ron Headrest (the Ronald Reagan as Max Headroom spoof) would have improved the Dalton flick. That's not a comment on Reagan's politics just that real-life spies were more interesting than the Dalton villians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 What a great thread! I've been a Bond-lover since I was a child and have fond memories of playing with my brother's Corgi DB5 with the ejector seat! The gold Aston Martin? I had one of those! I think I know where it is, even, though the extra man and the roof lid are long gone (45 years now). The tires are probably missing too. But I think the front machine guns and the rear window popup bullet deflector still work! :-D We have that CD too, and I have to agree with all your comments about the actors. Yes! The Aston-Martin! If you still have the box and the stickers you can probably retire on it. lol Quote Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 PS - If you want a wonderful score that borrows (ok, steals) heavily from the Bond style check out Pixar's The Incredibles. You are going to love watching this. Rick Baptist (Dancing with the Stars, Oscars telecast) and Wayne Bergeron (Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band) on trumpets. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGy_B-9QNT8 Mark - You were right. I loved this!! I understand one of the reasons that soundtrack sounds so good. It was played live by the whole orchestra. Nothing beats that vibe. Nothing. Quote Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leh173 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Sean Connery said that Timothy Dalton underestimated the role and thats why he failed at it. Q had a big role in one of Daltons movies and the most screen time he ever had in one Bond movie. Bronson made and interesting comment in one interview saying I never thought the Bond role was mine Its too bad because he was wanted to play Bond way before he actually got the chance in 1994. It was hard because he kind of type cast himself in Remington Steele so by the time he did play Bond it did not really fit. Goldeneye was a great movie though. Daniel Craig is the one that all the hate on the internet proved wrong. From what I have read he is the closest to Flemings Bond in the books than Moore or the rest were. I remember having a gut feeling that he would do good as Bond. I think in this next movie he is going to be a little less serious and we will have a new Q also. I always thought that they tried to do with Dalton and then Brosnan what they totally succeeded at doing with Daniel Craig, but they couldn't quite go the full way in 1986 and 1995, though goldeneye got close. The reboot was a brilliant idea in retrospect, though before Casino Royale it seemed like they had gone mad casting Daniel Craig, but they were bang on the money. I think the Bourne films have a lot to do with it. Jason Bourne made James Bond look like a joke, and Bond was a joke by the time Die Another Day rolled around. I read somewhere that Pierce Brosnan begged them to do with his Bond what they did with Daniel Craig. I really hope they don't "revert to formula" with skyfall. They did that after Goldeneye and they ruined Brosnans bond. Quote Roland Fantom G6, D-70, JP-8000, Juno-106, JV-1080, Moog Minitaur, Korg Volca Keys, Yamaha DX-7. TG33, Logic Pro, NI plugs, Arturia plugs etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwhite9 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I really hope they don't "revert to formula" with skyfall. They did that after Goldeneye and they ruined Brosnans bond. The Broccoli's are very sharp. None of the movies lost money on their initial run. Only two films did less than 3X the budget. One of them was Craig's last film. Historically they cut the budget when a film underperforms at the office (based on the prior films gross). Quantum's budget was $230 million. Skyfall's is $150 million. Screeners say the money was well spent on the villian (Javier Bardeem) and it borrows from Bourne as the plot is an agency unraveling as past failed ops come to light and the official stories are debunked. Screeners liked it better than Quantum and were split whether it tops Royale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 There is two reasons for that the technology did not exist in the late 80's and the pressure to do good action for James Bond was not that much. By the time Dalton came around in the stakes were not as high, I remember as I had just graduated HS when he came around. Other than Stallone and Arnold there was no real pressure to do anything other than what the producers had done using the same formula with every movie but with different people playing Bond. I agree Goldeneye got close but Bronson could never be Bond now. When the early 90's came CGI was still kind of in it's infancy but it changed a lot in how movies were made. The action genre was reinvented with mixed results. Part of the reason Batman did well the past 7 years because Nolan does not like special effects done with CGI. Maybe that is another argument. Anyway with the Bourne movies, Matrix, and a slew of others the Bond movies were left behind. Rebooting the series with Craig was the best thing they could have done. What's interesting with The Bourne movies was that the action was very fast paced and almost looked fake. I never got that. Being in the Martial Arts myself the choreography was weak. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Maximus_ Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 im surprised to see that much love for Casino Royale, daniel craig is an awesome bond, thats one of my Favorites, Goldfinger is amazing and i also like Moonraker, i saw that one when i was really young and loved the whole space theme, so its more of a sentimental thing, Skyfall does look promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Screeners liked it better than Quantum and were split whether it tops Royale. Screeners? What's your source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 What's interesting with The Bourne movies was that the action was very fast paced and almost looked fake. I never got that. Being in the Martial Arts myself the choreography was weak. It's Bourne, not Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Doesn't matter its the style and the pacing. Fuck crouching Tiger. Another overrated movie with too much wire work. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 What's overrated about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Read above too much wire work. Way unrealistic fight scenes. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Read above too much wire work. Way unrealistic fight scenes. I can't take you seriously at all. That's a personal preference, not a legit criticism. Would you slag the fight scenes in The Matrix because they're also hyper-realistic? Come on, man. I like Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan as much as the next person but there's room for many different styles of fighting. Woo-Ping Yuen did the choreography for Crouching Tiger. As you'll see, the guy is no slouch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo-Ping_Yuen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I know he's not but it got so out of control and that has influenced the action genre and most of us that study this stuff for real got sick of it, I don't want to derail this thread so we can get back to Bond. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashville.Guru Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Resurrecting the thread to say this: Skyfall made the bottom of my list. - Guru Quote This is really what MIDI was originally about encouraging cooperation between companies that make the world a more creative place." - Dave Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The scene in Dr. No (the 1st Bond film) with Andress walking naked for about 1/2 second between a changing booth and a radiation scrubber (or something) is the only time I can recall seeing a principle in the nude.I just saw From Russia With Love, and we get to see (in the background, a bit in the shadows) her slip into his bed naked. So, I was wrong. There are probably other cases like this. Yes! The Aston-Martin! If you still have the box and the stickers you can probably retire on it. lolBOX? you gotta be kidding. And I don't remember any stickers, but geez, I musta been 9, and I'm 55. Oh well, postponing that retirement again. As it is I'll have to work 'til I'm 75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I hear ya Jeff, but you still have the car! We went to see Skyfall in IMAX yesterday and were disappointed. The story was weak and had lots of holes in it, not the least of which was the villain's motivation. We want 'Bond saves the world' and instead we get 'Bond saves the agency'. I give it a 6 out of 10 because of the cinematography, some excellent chase/fight scenes, and a couple of insanely beautiful women in key roles. Quote Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 See I really don't understand what people are seeing. The plot was revenge on M. It's a transitional movie with a story that had to be told. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a real celebration of 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 A little trivia. My good friend, bass player extraordinaire Putter Smith, is none other then Mr. Kidd from Diamonds are forever Had no freaking idea about this. I bet there's tons of younger LA cats who don't know this either. That's amazing! Quote Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 See I really don't understand what people are seeing. The plot was revenge on M. It's a transitional movie with a story that had to be told. I get that. What I don't get is why they didn't do a better job of it. I'm not saying the movie is bad, just not as good as it could be, or the others have been. I have more questions about Skyfall but don't want to post any spoilers. D-bon - glad you enjoyed it! I may have to see it again. Any excuse to see Berenice Marlohe! Quote Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 It is a transitional story and a movie that had to be made. There are a lot of references to old films, the Aston Martin, Ms office with the Leather door, Bond talking to Q and saying you must be joking. If you know Bond all the references were to previous movies. The big difference is the laptops and technology in the offices. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashville.Guru Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I guess I went expecting a James Bond movie. And got to saw a movie about James Bond movies. Perhaps celebrating all that makes a great James Bond movie, but still. I had the same issue with Superman Returns. Went to see a Superman movie. Had to put up with a movie about Richard Donner's movies. Which I'm a fan of, but still. Could be 'cause I'm not as familiar with the classic Bond movies as most of you folks are - Goldeneye was the first movie I could watch in a theater without an accompanying adult . But I get where you guys are coming from - I was tingling all over watching The Dark Knight Rises, with every reference to a classic Bat storyline/graphic novel. The big difference with Skyfall - even people with no prior exposure to Batman got their money's worth at the theater. That's how it should be done, IMO. - Guru Quote This is really what MIDI was originally about encouraging cooperation between companies that make the world a more creative place." - Dave Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Could be 'cause I'm not as familiar with the classic Bond movies as most of you folks are - Goldeneye was the first movie I could watch in a theater without an accompanying adult . Bingo. If you grew up on the Brosnan movies and think that's what a Bond movie should be, you owe it to yourself to spend quality time with the Connery movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Exactly. Goldeneye came out in 1995 and although the story was good Brosnon was just an OK Bond. Except for a few things its not really indicative as classic Bond as we know it. Its interesting that he was wanted for the role ten years before he got it but Remington Steel locked him into a TV contract. Roger Moore left in 1985 and was actually older when Connery left Bond so they went with Dalton who was ineffective. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomkeen Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I don't know about Dalton. No one seems to like him, but I think he was a really good Bond. Really liked both movies he was in, and the title tracks were probably the best of all (imo). I really loved Skyfall. It was way more than a decent movie. Liked the story, liked the action, not a fan of the bondgirls though. And that CGI komodo dragon looked a bit weird . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 I liked Dalton, and those title tracks are good -- certainly superior to any of the songs until Skyfall. What didn't you like about the Bond girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomkeen Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I liked moneypenny, just that other chick was meh... She had such a weak part, and she played in what, 5 scenes? As for their looks, I don't really care about that u_u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 It is a transitional story and a movie that had to be made. There are a lot of references to old films, the Aston Martin, Ms office with the Leather door, Bond talking to Q and saying you must be joking. If you know Bond all the references were to previous movies. The big difference is the laptops and technology in the offices. I guess I went expecting a James Bond movie. And got to saw a movie about James Bond movies. Perhaps celebrating all that makes a great James Bond movie, but still. Exactly right, Guru! I've been a Bond fan since the 60's so I appreciated the references. There are some other things I liked about Skyfall that I can't mention without spoiling it for someone else. Did I mention Bérénice Marlohe? Quote Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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