MarKeys Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I found a barely used Electro 3 73 keys for sale for $1650. Is that an OK price? I'm a hobbyist only, so I never planned to spend so much ( was aiming for a beat up Electro 2 and Vent), but wondered what y'all thought of this. Or do I wait to find a 3 once the 4d hits?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Why not buy the one in our Clasifies with a gig bag for $1500? Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinny Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Just did a *very* quick eBay completed listings check, as well as craigslist; I'd say the price is decent. Maybe offer 'em $1500, see what happens. I'd recommend against an E2/Vent combo. Stuff and things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinny Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 On second thought, Tony's right. I just noticed you were in NY, you could buy the one in the classifieds. Stuff and things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKeys Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 I didn't know there were classifieds. Let me look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKeys Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Actually I'm far from NYC, so pick-up won't work. The local guy here wanted 1700 and said 1650 was final. Really I only need 61 keys, but it's rare for me to find a local 3 for sale. Do you think 3s will be much cheaper and available once the 4D comes out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I'd recommend against an E2/Vent combo. Why? dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Affiliations: Cloud Microphones • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusker Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 That's what I got mine for new with a gig bag 2 years ago. Correction, got mine for $1,760 delivered with the bag. Anyhow, I'd still rather pay the extra for the warranty, not to mention, prices should be coming down with newer models on the horizon. Steinway L, Yamaha Motif XS-8, NE3 73, Casio PX-5S, iPad, EV ZLX 12-P ZZ(x2), bunch of PA stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinny Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I'd recommend against an E2/Vent combo. Why? dB A while back, there were mixed reviews on the E2/Vent - I agree with those who say that the raw E2 organ tone is kind of thin, so when run through the vent, it doesn't sound as good as other clone/Vent combos. I sold my Vent about a year ago, went back to the E2's internal sim, then went to using the E2 as a controller for VB3. Stuff and things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKeys Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Jeez, how did you get a 3 so cheap? I couldn't find a new one that cheap online anywhere. I think I found a B stock one for around that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusker Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I'd go B stock over used, especially if it still has the warranty. Steinway L, Yamaha Motif XS-8, NE3 73, Casio PX-5S, iPad, EV ZLX 12-P ZZ(x2), bunch of PA stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I agree with those who say that the raw E2 organ tone is kind of thin Oh. Okay....thanks for explaining. I think the E2's organs are just fine - been using one happily for years - and I don't care for the E3's menu-driven interface as much as the (essentially) one knob/button per functionality of the E2, so I didn't understand the comment. To each their own, I guess. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Affiliations: Cloud Microphones • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Jeez, how did you get a 3 so cheap? I couldn't find a new one that cheap online anywhere. I think I found a B stock one for around that much. Unless you are looking at used instruments, you will get the same prices posted on the Internet by dealers. You have to pick up the phone and beat them up on the price. Dealers cannot advertise lower than a specific price, but they CAN sell an instrument for whatever they want. A musician that is ready to buy can negotiate a lower price. Cheers! Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I agree with those who say that the raw E2 organ tone is kind of thin Oh. Okay....thanks for explaining. I think the E2's organs are just fine - been using one happily for years - and I don't care for the E3's menu-driven interface as much as the (essentially) one knob/button per functionality of the E2, so I didn't understand the comment. To each their own, I guess. dB Part of the problem is the Electro's dependence on the Leslie sim to shape the raw organ sound. Take the sim off, and the Electro tone is pretty extreme, and IMO, the Vent doesn't 'fix' the tonal problems of the Electro (or at least the E2) effectively. A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKeys Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Do you think a Voce V5 with a Vent would sound better than an Electro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Do you think a Voce V5 with a Vent would sound better than an Electro? The thing about a lot of these comparisons is that, usually, there's no universal "better." Better for a jazz player may not be better for a rock player, or people may just have different tastes, or the model that has better sounding percussion may be weaker in C/V (or leakage or key click, whatever). Heck, there are people who play these things with no rotary effect at all, and they're going to have a different take completely. But personally... I'd probably take the V5 and a Vent over an E2. (Especially now that someone has found a way around the loud mechanical clicks when you switch the speed on the Vent, but that's another thread. ;-) ) Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKeys Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Yes, there's always another thread! But what about V5 and Vent vs NE3? For classic rock mostly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 But what about V5 and Vent vs NE3? For classic rock mostly? Tougher call, but I'd probably go with the NE3... figuring you could always add the Vent to that later, too... Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Part of the problem is the Electro's dependence on the Leslie sim to shape the raw organ sound. Take the sim off, and the Electro tone is pretty extreme Ah. Y'see, I never turn the sim off, so I wouldn't know that....I almost always use at least a bit of distortion as well. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Affiliations: Cloud Microphones • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle ggurl Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 If budget is your concern, I wouldn't discount the NE2 out of hand, tho, especially if you get a great deal on one. You can try the 3 in stores just before heading to a seller's house and demoing the 2. I know a few players -- some of 'em really good, and working -- who use the older technology. FWIW I still gig an NE2, though ultimately I'd like to upgrade. Of course I'm the type who will use a piece of gear till the wheels fall off, perhaps not the typical forumite here. Original Latin Jazz CD Baby "I am not certain how original my contribution to music is as I am obviously an amateur." Patti Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusker Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 This! Phone still works better than net for getting the price down. Jeez, how did you get a 3 so cheap? I couldn't find a new one that cheap online anywhere. I think I found a B stock one for around that much. Unless you are looking at used instruments, you will get the same prices posted on the Internet by dealers. You have to pick up the phone and beat them up on the price. Dealers cannot advertise lower than a specific price, but they CAN sell an instrument for whatever they want. A musician that is ready to buy can negotiate a lower price. Cheers! Mike T. Steinway L, Yamaha Motif XS-8, NE3 73, Casio PX-5S, iPad, EV ZLX 12-P ZZ(x2), bunch of PA stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I would go Electro 3 over V5. Big difference in tone between E2 and E3, but you will not be dissatisfied either way. Did you inquire regarding the classified? THat's a great deal. Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoooombiex Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I bought my NE3/73 used about a year ago for $1399 off ebay. I considered that a very good deal and haven't seen any since in that price range. I bought it as an upgrade to an NE2/61. FWIW, the upgrades in clav & whurly are minimal (both very good). The rhodes is very good on both, though I slightly prefer the NE3. The B3 is a pretty notable upgrade to the NE3 just using each board by itself. I don't recall comparing each with the vent unfortunately. The main reasons I upgraded were for the farfisa & vox organs, and to access the nord sample library. I agree though with DB's comment about the interface. Both are easy to use, but I liked the super-simplicity of the NE2 better. I sold the NE2 a few months ago for $850 locally with a case, which seemed a fair price based on what they were going for on ebay & craigslist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKeys Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 Hardest thing for me is figuring out, for a hobby classic rock band, will the difference between NE2 and 3 really be noticeable? I'm so intrigued by all the Vent talk that I've been reluctant to overspend on the keyboard and not have any budget left to try the Vent. Somehow it seemed that most anything with the Vent added would be as good as any Electro. But that's just a guess -- which is why I'm here asking all you good people for advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinny Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Hardest thing for me is figuring out, for a hobby classic rock band, will the difference between NE2 and 3 really be noticeable? Depends on your playing style, and where you sit in the mix, I suppose. I'm so intrigued by all the Vent talk that I've been reluctant to overspend on the keyboard and not have any budget left to try the Vent. Somehow it seemed that most anything with the Vent added would be as good as any Electro. But that's just a guess -- which is why I'm here asking all you good people for advice! This is just my opinion, but I think an E2, no Vent, would be just fine. For the most part, I'm fine with my trusty ol' E2, My main complaint with it is the warbly Chorus/Vibrato. Percussion is not the greatest, either, but I rarely use that in my cover band. If you wanted to go the Clone/Vent route, I don't think a V5/Vent would be a bad choice at all, soundwise. Just more to hook up; what would you use for a controller keyboard? Just something to think about. Just my $.02. Stuff and things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKeys Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 Funny, I just went looking for a cheap board/controller that might work for the V5/Vent route, but nothing felt very good. I guess it's hard to find something good for smears on something not designed for them. Or was hoping for a tweener that would be fast enough for organ but passable for the few piano parts I do. But I also know there's a reason people like to use more than one board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I'm happy with my NE2, as a hobbyist playing in soul and blues bands (where frankly, B3 is even more prominent than in rock). Is it the best? nope. It doesn't sound as good as my previous solution, which was my laptop with Native Instruments B4. (VB3 software sounds even better than NIB4.) But damn, I got a great deal on it, and it's so incredibly convenient. Is the difference noticeable? On the Hammond, to the player and probably the band, yes, but nobody in the band is going to complain about NE2 Hammond. (Nobody in my band noticed the step downwared from NIB4, for example.) For piano, totally, definitely, no bones about it. The NE2 piano is a big compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoooombiex Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Hardest thing for me is figuring out, for a hobby classic rock band, will the difference between NE2 and 3 really be noticeable? I'm so intrigued by all the Vent talk that I've been reluctant to overspend on the keyboard and not have any budget left to try the Vent. Somehow it seemed that most anything with the Vent added would be as good as any Electro. But that's just a guess -- which is why I'm here asking all you good people for advice! What instruments do plan to use? That would really help define which board might be better. I gave a little rundown of my NE2/NE3 experience above FWIW. I'd say if you mostly plan on using organ you should be very happy with an NE2/vent. I used an NE2 by itself for a while and it did fine, and when I got the vent it just made it better. Yeah, there are better options today, but the bar is being set pretty high. If you walk in with an NE2/vent, I doubt you or anyone else will think it sounds bad by any stretch. IMO, the main reasons for looking at an NE3 over the NE2 would be -better piano samples -farfisa & vox organs -access to sample library If none of those are really important to you, I'd go with the NE2/vent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I guess how much of an improvement someone finds the E3 organ engine over the E2 may depend on what and how they play, what sonic characteristics they hone in on, but it is a pretty substantial difference. For example, I never thought the "Green Eyed Lady" riff sounded good on the E2... the bottom octave of the board sounded weak, and the tone of the percussion didn't have the right "thunk"... it sounds much better on the E3. Also, in general, the E2 just sounds too clean... I really missed the tonewheel leakage added in the Vintage settings of the E3. (The Leslie effect improved too, though that's a non-issue if you're using a Ventilator anyway.) Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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