marino Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Here's some Bach for you-- Marino's "Bach to the Future" Thanks a lot Daviel. Only thing, you linked to one of the only two pieces on the album that aren't Bach pieces! I have had the impudence of including two pieces of mine in that work, written "in style" and humbly dedicated to the Master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 My mistake! I thought 99 cents was too cheap. The Complete Album A regular on my iPod rotation Quote "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 Adding this here for future reference. Too rushed but would make a killer octave study. I may try this if my wrists will take it. Age ( or bad technique) is catching up with me lately. [video:youtube] Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I prefer keys where the root is a natural and the 3 is sharp or flat. Those fit my hand as middle fingers stick out further than my thumb. I don't like keys where 1 and 5 are black and 3 is white. I wish I had appreciated Bach more when I was taking lessons in school. There is a lot to learn with the fingering and the use of accidentals. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yannis D Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Thanx CEB, Gavrilov is a monster pianist. I still remember an old vinyl of him playing Prokofiev's 1st piano concerto.., .Angela Hewitt is a fantastic player as well. I would add Tatjana Nikolayevna, the teacher of many great Russian pianists and a fantastic interpreter of Bach's music herself. Quote Be grateful for what you've got - a Nord, a laptop and two hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCoscia Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Years ago, I memorized the 3rd Movement of Bach's Italian Concerto. A terrific composition with a bright melody and it was also a great left hand workout. Learning Bach's Italian Concerto had a positive influence on my playing. When there a lull on stage or the crew needed a few minutes, I'd play it using the ARP 4 Voice Piano's harpsichord tone. Fun times. This thread has inspired me to find the sheet music. Quote Steve Coscia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCoscia Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 My favorite recording of this piece is Alfred Brendel. Indeed. The Brendel rendition is real good. Bach's melody is so lively and inviting. It grabs the listener. Quote Steve Coscia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 I love Brendel. It was Brendel that really turned me on to Haydn. Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 She makes some interesting points. I hate to tell her that not only does Chopin sound like doggy doo on the Polymoog but I thought Bach did too. I still can't bring myself to compare Bach to Arnold Schoenberg. I don't like Schoenberg. [video:youtube] Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 I'm continuing to work through The Well Tempered Clavier and I have some thoughts and questions. 1) I got an opportunity to have hands on an actual Harpsichord. Dang you have to be accurate and very articulate on those things. Piano is a lot more forgiving otherwise it is a smeared up jingly mess. I've play Harpsichord patches on Keyboards. The two experiences have nothing in common. I expect the harpsichord to be an easier axe to play on. It wasn't for for me. I was out of my environment. 2) My copy of WTC is marked for dynamics. This was done by Carl Czerny. The Harsichord doesn't do dynamics like a piano. Is what Czerny did considered proper piano treatment? On the Preludes I tend to want to do dramatic shifts in dynamics. I guess I am a Romantic at Heart. Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 2) My copy of WTC is marked for dynamics. This was done by Carl Czerny. The Harsichord doesn't do dynamics like a piano. Is what Czerny did considered proper piano treatment? Not really. Edit: well I am no academically qualified to truly question Czerny, but you could maybe play these dynamics very subtly and it would sound fine. On the Preludes I tend to want to do dramatic shifts in dynamics. I guess I am a Romantic at Heart. You can do whatever makes you happy. Seriously. But know that it wasn't the composer's intent, nor at all the style of the time. Dynamics in Baroque literature definitely have a place. Subtle shading and highlighting of certain melodies and phrases can give the music further dimension. But bluntly wielding FFs and PPs to maudlin excess can ruin the integrity of the music. Quote Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridog6996 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Dynamics in Baroque music are always subject to debate, but much of Bach's music was actually written for clavichord, rather than harpsichord. It's similar in sound to harpsichord, but is able to produce a range of dynamics. Bach almost certainly played these pieces with dynamics himself, but leaving it up to the performer was a common practice at the time, as details like dynamics were considered more of an afterthought. So, dynamics weren't often indicated, but that doesn't mean dynamics were or should be absent. I feel like most Bach pieces sort of "play themselves" in terms of dynamics though. Quote My YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillplaying Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Mahler has gone from obscure to overplayed. Yes - any idea why that is? Is it a copyright thing? Quote I'm the piano player "off of" Borrowed Books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 I have the Alfred's collection of Bach's 2-part Inventions. I really like that book it comes with a CD and they have nice notation on the ornamentations. Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Bach on piano bothers me. I don't know why, but overuse of dynamics is probably a contributing factor. Long live baroque instruments! Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 Yes I can see that being the culprit. I am at home at the piano I just played through the first Prelude in WTC and Czerny has dynamics ranging from pp to ff in the score. Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridog6996 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 The dynamic range of an actual clavichord is generally more like mp down to pp. It's a very quiet instrument. Quote My YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 The dynamic range of an actual clavichord is generally more like mp down to pp. It's a very quiet instrument. Speaking of which this is one of the points Andras Schiff points to in this discussion on Bach. [video:youtube] I will not pedal. I will not pedal. I will not ......... Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 You can find parts of this on YouTube but this is a full hour segment. This is from a Chinese YouTube type site I don't if it can be embedded. http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzcxMTI1NjUy.html This helps me understand the issues I had with some of Glenn Gould interpretations. I like his interpretations of major Bach works but his interpretation of a lot of the stuff that I play through I don't like. In the middle of this he explains experimentation with tempos and other aspects in minor works like inventions, preludes, fugues and gigues but would NOT think of doing that to multi movement pieces and pieces of great importance such as Concertos or Partitas. Glenn was an interesting man. Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 [video:youtube] Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I'm getting goosebumps just sitting here and thinking of certain moments in St. Anne's Fugue. No other composer does that to me. Bach is truly sublime. You have no idea how universal this is. I remember the first Bach piece I heard years ago moved me to tears - before I even knew who the composer was. And I come from a very different musical background - western music forms a very small fraction of my listening. I still can't tell one piece from another, why the key scale is mentioned, or what the heck a fugue is. And I've seen similar reactions from friends who are accomplished musicians in the Indian classical tradition - even the die-hard purists who don't listen to any western music. Thanks for this thread, and the posts in it. Not politically correct but I couldn't care less... JS Bach is by far the greatest western musician composer in recorded western history. Pablo Casals says as much. Quote You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I have an aged LP called "The Pocket Bach" by George Fields, the first-chair harmonica virtuoso who played for films such as "Paint Your Wagon." He sat in a walk-in closet and played Bach one line at a time into an 8-track reel-to-reel. He used about 12 different instruments, one being a large Hohner chromatic with a hefty slide on it. Like all Bach, its riveting and perfect. It highlights how you can play it on ANYthing and have it translate seamlessly. I see mention of his music, but I encourage you to read one of his many biographies. Your admiration will triple when you learn of how he lost a beloved young wife and several children to illness as a younger man, had to fight to inject any creativity into what was often seen as an adjunct to worship only and wrestled politics and the demands of teaching all his life. He usually had a cadre of puckerbutts pulling him this way and that all the time. To handle so many pressures and STILL crank out reams of such works makes him seem almost supernatural. Why, the poor man didn't even have tape cassettes, much less Pro Tools. You think YOU have rehearsal hassles.... Quote "Well, the 60s were fun, but now I'm payin' for it." ~ Stan Lee, "Ant-Man and the Wasp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I have an aged LP called "The Pocket Bach" by George Fields, the first-chair harmonica virtuoso who played for films such as "Paint Your Wagon." He sat in a walk-in closet and played Bach one line at a time into an 8-track reel-to-reel. He used about 12 different instruments, one being a large Hohner chromatic with a hefty slide on it. Like all Bach, its riveting and perfect. It highlights how you can play it on ANYthing and have it translate seamlessly. I see mention of his music, but I encourage you to read one of his many biographies. Your admiration will triple when you learn of how he lost a beloved young wife and several children to illness as a younger man, had to fight to inject any creativity into what was often seen as an adjunct to worship only and wrestled politics and the demands of teaching all his life. He usually had a cadre of puckerbutts pulling him this way and that all the time. To handle so many pressures and STILL crank out reams of such works makes him seem almost supernatural. Why, the poor man didn't even have tape cassettes, much less Pro Tools. You think YOU have rehearsal hassles.... Amen to all of that work ethic and grit Close to supernatural indeed pablo Casals Said Bach was Divine And again he said Bach was in his own category above all others- sorry for poor paraphrasing. Quote You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksoper Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I have an aged LP called "The Pocket Bach" by George Fields I'd love to hear this. I found bassharp.com and read the liner notes written, amazingly enough, by Rory Guy, better known as Angus Scrimm, "The Tall Man." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 A like the far away sound of this piano. Usually everything I do sounds close and in your face. Not sure if this was the intent or just a consequence of it being an old recording. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej5rGGTHy54 Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAVXJQDXItI Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5WWwZiY_sw Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillNeverPost Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 My mistake! I thought 99 cents was too cheap. The Complete Album A regular on my iPod rotation With a title like "Bach to the Future: Piano and Synthesizer" I was expecting to hear piano and synthesizer _together_. From what I can tell by listening to the preview snippets some tracks are piano and some tracks are synthesizer; never both together on the same track. A pity - that could have been interesting. I don't know what it is but with the exception of one artist I am always disappointed by synthesized Bach. That artist is, of course, Wendy Carlos. She had the training and the talent to use the right sounds and to phrase them expressively that other interpretations seem to lack, including IMO this one. With the exception of track 14 (English Suite in A Minor) the synth tracks don't do it for me. But perhaps I need to hear the complete tracks to judge them fairly. Too bad Wendy's body of work is more-or-less out of print. According to her web site, "Due to major changes in the music business, we unexpectedly lost our ESD distribution, leaving us stranded with few good options." That happened several years ago now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Nice 1 1/2 hour documentary. [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOO8IC8_VaY Watching this one tonight. [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkKd1fjgqKI Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I'm almost finished with this 3 Part Invention (or Sinfonias) In this one there is always at least one finger held as a tie in either hand per measure (and/or into the next) . . . the 2nd page is just pure genius! Really knocked my socks off this one, Bach's genius was never clearer to me. . . . It's having it's effect on all my other playing (non-classical) . . .why I love to play Bach beside the pure joy of it! This is 'back-burner' work for me, at it for a few months now....I usually eventually get through them! Bach 3 Part Invention in D Minor . . . Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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