Michael Wright Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 oh sorry you can't source an AX48 It's all my fault... I've edited my post I've tried an AX48, or very similar Apex model, in a TV studio once... I thought it felt great. But the only way to get one in Italy is to order it from abroad, which adds to the already steep price. The QuikLok version is decent but it doesn't feel extremely stable. I can appreciate the added cost. It is about $225.00 CND here. I got my second one in the States for $200.00 US. http://www.michaelwwright.com https://www.facebook.com MPN Paetron https://www.patreon.com/musicplayernetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymio Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 I've tried an AX48, or very similar Apex model, in a TV studio once... I thought it felt great. But the only way to get one in Italy is to order it from abroad, which adds to the already steep price. The QuikLok version is decent but it doesn't feel extremely stable. I used to have an Apex in the 80's. IIRC, certain boards that were deep and heavy didn't seem very stable on them. 1935 Mason & Hamlin Model A Korg Kronos 2 73 Nord Electro 6D 61 Yam S90ES Rhodes Stage 73 (1972) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wright Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I was concerned at first also. I agree if your going to load it up with really heavy keyboards. I stick to the weight suggestions, however I have had three tiers on one, and there is always the AX90! http://www.michaelwwright.com https://www.facebook.com MPN Paetron https://www.patreon.com/musicplayernetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I think the AX90 was discountinued. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I know people on here love to bash on X stands, but I have yet to see anyone get their keyboards as close together as I do with two x stands. Is it a bit cumbersome to load.. meh... maybe, we have a truck, it's one easy trip with a backpack of cables too. I like my boards as close as possible, like almost as close as the two manuals on a B3 close... yet to see that with Z stands or anything else. (and Apex, which I have, leaves no room for a pedalboard) Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wright Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I think the AX90 was discountinued. Maybe.. I don't see it on their website. http://www.michaelwwright.com https://www.facebook.com MPN Paetron https://www.patreon.com/musicplayernetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I think the AX90 was discountinued. Maybe.. I don't see it on their website. Definitely discontinued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I have a couple INvisible Stands, and I have the Eric cover made by Mooradian. Pricey though: $200!!!! I got LeCover to make me a knock off that's a little roomier for about $50. I can fit a guitar stand in that one too. Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusker Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Yep, second tier is removed/added on with two internal, c-clamp like screws. The platform is listed as being able to support 230 pounds and I believe with both my current boards I weigh in at 85 give or take. No complaints after a year with this setup, and much easier to implement than my Z, which stays in the studio. Steinway L, Yamaha Motif XS-8, NE3 73, Casio PX-5S, iPad, EV ZLX 12-P ZZ(x2), bunch of PA stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I transport an "X" stand in my Kia Sportage. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle ggurl Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I like my boards as close as possible, like almost as close as the two manuals on a B3 close... Me too. Which is why when I gigged two boards I was using the Standtastic. You can mount the top arms to be touching your bottom keyboard, if you really want to. Have you tried a Standtastic? Not that you need to, if you've got enough legroom with the X stands and they work for you in terms of stability. Mine always wobbled when I got really cookin' ... That and pedal/legroom conflict are why I swapped out my X (stand, that is) for something else. Original Latin Jazz CD Baby "I am not certain how original my contribution to music is as I am obviously an amateur." Patti Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I play standing up, I use a boss bcb60 pedal board which I reconfigured to go long ways in between the stands and I use a pair of x stands, the one for the Sk1 (which is uber light) is double braced and doesn't wobble, a single braced stand works fine for my midi controller lower manual. No issues for me. Maybe people who hate X stands use heavier keyboards. I'd personally rather stab myself in the face with a spork than lug an 88key keyboard around, my $.02.. I also play way more Organ, EP and Clav than piano live Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKey Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 For the crowd that carries Wurlis around. mcgoo http://kenrichsounds.com/shop/images/Wurly_Gig_Bag_02.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgoo Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 For the crowd that carries Wurlis around. mcgoo http://kenrichsounds.com/shop/images/Wurly_Gig_Bag_02.jpg yer just tryin' to make me feel bad for poking fun at everyone! Very nice though. Your invention? Custom Music, Audio Post Production, Location Audio www.gmma.biz https://www.facebook.com/gmmamusic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyg3042 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I like my boards as close as possible, like almost as close as the two manuals on a B3 close... Me too. Which is why when I gigged two boards I was using the Standtastic. You can mount the top arms to be touching your bottom keyboard, if you really want to. Have you tried a Standtastic? Not that you need to, if you've got enough legroom with the X stands and they work for you in terms of stability. Mine always wobbled when I got really cookin' ... That and pedal/legroom conflict are why I swapped out my X (stand, that is) for something else. Don't post much, but this conversation is pretty pertinent. I use a dreaded X too. Went years trying to have that "double manual" setup with the keybeds close together. Tried a number of stands & 2nd tiers. I finally built an extension to the X; it's fast and easy to setup & tear down, one board sits on the other, and the keys are almost as close together as a double manual Hammond. As a nod to the collective wisdom, I put on a safety strap to prevent collapse. Can't really see the extension in this pic though; it's basically a shelf that supports the PC3's rear edge. The stand became super stable, the PC3 sits on the XK2, and all the keys are right there....except for the Moog where I have to turn. I love it. http://home.comcast.net/~mikegelardi/IMAG0177s.jpg "May you stay...forever young." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe P Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 DG, Can you post a pic of the rear of the stand with the shelf? I'd be interested to see your solution. That's what I do for my top 2 boards in a 3 board stack - front edge of top board on rear edge of the board beneath it (Micron and NE2). Regards, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKey Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Very nice though. Your invention? Ken Rich product. Holds 4 legs, sustain, & power cable. On sale for $28.55 right now. I'm thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyg3042 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 DG, Can you post a pic of the rear of the stand with the shelf? I'd be interested to see your solution. That's what I do for my top 2 boards in a 3 board stack - front edge of top board on rear edge of the board beneath it (Micron and NE2). Regards, Joe Here's a pic that shows it pretty well. I took this, and annotated it in an attempt to show a welder/machinist what I needed so he'd help me build a more finished product. So far no luck, but the prototype works so well, I keep using it. A little heavier then just an X stand, but not much, and the wood parts add much of this. These will get replaced with aluminum and a padded bar. I leave the uprights in the stand for transport(they swivel flat), and the top shelf lays in the X, and is strapped in with double D straps. The wood shelf the Kurzweil sits on will get replaced with a padded bar to reduce weight and give it some cushioning. Ideally the top bar will just unhinge from one side, swivel around, and down, to clamp in for transport. No extra pieces to mess with. http://home.comcast.net/~mikegelardi/keyboard%20rig%20B&W%20explanation2.jpg And just to add; two boards stacked on just the X stand alone almost work, but you can't see the display, and any pressure causes it to topple over backwards. Adding this "back ledge" allows the 2nd board to move back so you can see the display, prevents that topple, and gives the whole stand much more stability with the two additional legs. "May you stay...forever young." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 DG. Nice rig! I like the creativity with your stand. David Gig Rig:Roland Fantom-08| Yamaha MODX+ 6 | MacBook Pro 14" M1| Mainstage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyg3042 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 DG. Nice rig! I like the creativity with your stand. Got creative with a couple stands in that pic. The Moog stand is also homemade. I wanted effects and didn't want to carry another separate piece of gear, so I took a folding bench, removed the bench, and built a lightweight plywood box on it. That houses a Lexicon MX400. All the connections are wired into the back of the box. I just need short patch cables to make the connection from the Voyager into the Lexicon, as well as power. The stand/box weighs around 15 lbs. and I put a handle on it to cart it around. It held my weight, so plenty strong to hold up the Voyager. Works pretty slick. "May you stay...forever young." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisdanno Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Very nice though. Your invention? Ken Rich product. Holds 4 legs, sustain, & power cable. On sale for $28.55 right now. I'm thinking about it. It's quite nice - absolutely worth 2855 pennies if you transport your own Wurly to gigs or sessions more than once or twice a year, without the benefit of a full-on ATA case with cavities for all that stuff. I also got the first prototype of the Wurlitzer soft case currently showing as "Sold Out" on their site (they have a waiting list going). Not a TON of padding, but definitely enough, if you're handling it yourself and don't feel like going for a full road case (which would preclude carrying it in most cars). The zipper goes around the bottom front and side edges of the board, so when it's time to unpack it, you lay it flat, unzip, and stand the Wurly up on its back edge for leg assembly, and the back edge is kept protected from the floor (or whatever surface you've set it on) throughout the process. Very well thought out. The straps are nicely reinforced - I trust it will hold up for quite a while. It's 100x better than carrying it around naked or wrapped in a blanket, which is what I had been doing with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Havu Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I've moved from the QuikLok WS550 w/2nd tier to the OnStage KS7365-EJ Z Stand w/2nd tier, and I have their KSB-6500 stand bag, made of padded nylon that is pretty robust (aside from cheap zipper pulls that both snapped on the first gig ). I have the same stand/bag as well, converted into a 3-tier with an OnStage Universal 2nd Tier. There's enough room in the bag for that as well. For my smaller gigs, I use a 2-tier X-stand, but just one keyboard. I have an M-Audio Axiom61-2ndGen on the bottom, and a shelf supporting my Macbook on top. The X-stand folds flat, and the 2nd tier is folded flat and stored in the back of my rack case (which has 2 Firestudio Projects, and a Korg TR-Rack.) Hardware Yamaha MODX7, DX7, PSR-530, SY77/Korg TR-Rack, 01/W Pro X, Trinity Pro X, Karma/Ensoniq ESQ-1, VFX-SD Behringer DeepMind12, Model D, Odyssey, 2600/Roland RD-1000/Arturia Keylab MKII 61 Software Studio One/V Collection 9/Korg Collection 4/Cherry Audio/UVI SonicPass/EW Composer Cloud/Omnisphere, Stylus RMX, Trilian/IK Total Studio 3.5 MAX/Roland Cloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe P Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 DG, Can you post a pic of the rear of the stand with the shelf? I'd be interested to see your solution. That's what I do for my top 2 boards in a 3 board stack - front edge of top board on rear edge of the board beneath it (Micron and NE2). Regards, Joe Here's a pic that shows it pretty well. I took this, and annotated it in an attempt to show a welder/machinist what I needed so he'd help me build a more finished product. So far no luck, but the prototype works so well, I keep using it. A little heavier then just an X stand, but not much, and the wood parts add much of this. These will get replaced with aluminum and a padded bar. I leave the uprights in the stand for transport(they swivel flat), and the top shelf lays in the X, and is strapped in with double D straps. The wood shelf the Kurzweil sits on will get replaced with a padded bar to reduce weight and give it some cushioning. Ideally the top bar will just unhinge from one side, swivel around, and down, to clamp in for transport. No extra pieces to mess with. http://home.comcast.net/~mikegelardi/keyboard%20rig%20B&W%20explanation2.jpg And just to add; two boards stacked on just the X stand alone almost work, but you can't see the display, and any pressure causes it to topple over backwards. Adding this "back ledge" allows the 2nd board to move back so you can see the display, prevents that topple, and gives the whole stand much more stability with the two additional legs. Ah, the never-ending quest for the perfect keyboard stand. DG, You might want to look into PVC. You can configure a support that cantilevers off the back of the X to hold up the back edge of your PC3. You can kind of see it here holding up the Micron. http://www.divshare.com/img/midsize/17143890-bd3.JPG The pic makes it look crooked but it's not. If you are concerned about the strength of PVC, you can use an alternate pipe material. I have done too many mods to my stand to list. I am looking for low and flat with boards as close as possible. I modded a second tier for the X and my current rig is now pretty good: http://www.divshare.com/img/midsize/17135306-cfd.JPG I am now working on an arrangement for my two board set-up when I sometimes do blues funk gigs. I took a second tier, cut the arms, flipped them around and turned them straight up. This makes two vertical posts which are attached to the X by inserting the opposing wedge clamps. You can rest the rear edge of the top board of a two board set up on the posts, with the top board's front edge resting on the bottom board. I sit for those gigs and it's nice and low, compact and accessible. Velcro provides friction where necessary. Sorry no pics of that one yet. Modding the second tiers are a good way to go about it because they're pretty cheap and they already have all the hardware you need. Good luck in your quest! Regards, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicale Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I just fold mine up and stick them in the car and zoom zoom Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAGARAU Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I recommend the Ultimate Support IQ-3000 with the IQ-300 2nd tier http://www.ultimatesupport.com/product/IQ-3000. Simple setup, solid, reasonable weight, surface adjustments, reasonably priced, good customer support... A pro quality stand. Having a carrying bag made for it would be a good idea. - jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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