J. Dan Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Now that I don't have to worry about useless covers, I've been enjoying the heck out of my Kronos, but something came up. I've never owned a real EP, but I've always loved certain EP sounds for jamming. In my Fusion, there was a patch called "jam wurly" that to me, seemed just perfect for a lot of the supertramp type stuff, but I also had fun just jamming with it. On the Kronos, I'm enjoying the EP engine immensely, but can't recreate that growl the way I like. First I experimented with tube preamp models, compressor, etc...then moved to hammer width, etc...and have gotten better results, but still not what I'm looking for. The amp models seem to either muddy it up too much, or if you really hit them hard, the distortion is ugly. The changes to the actual EP model just to seem to go far enough, though I've been able to add some grit (mostly via hammer width and noise). So not really knowing the real thing, I'm curious which directino you think I should go. Actually, Hitting at 100% velocity get's me 85% of where I want to go with the patch I've got now, but with a model, there's no way to extrapolate velocity beyond that. I don't really know what the velocity is doing exactly. But if what 100% velocity now was more like 50-60%, that would be perfect. This isn't for anything but my own personal enjoyment, so it's not critical. I want to hear from people with real EP experience, people who know the Kronos inside and out, and anybody with a relevant opinion. Thanks. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboK Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Try EQ'ing the lows and highs out to make it a mid-range monster. That and some trem makes that mean Bad Company Wurli which I think you're looking for (or at least close). I used Int A-037 and Int A-035 as my starting points. Just a thought. Korg Kronos 2 61, Kronos 1 61, Dave Smith Mopho x4, 1954 Hammond C2, Wurlitzer 200A, Yamaha Motif 6, Casio CDP-100, Alesis Vortex Wireless, too much PA gear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoooombiex Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Try running it through a guitar amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Try running it through a guitar amp +1 Recorded some album tracks recently with the Nord Wurli thru a Fender tube amp - it made a big difference. Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yep. Ran my Electro 3 through my buddy's Marshall a while back. Liked it so much I started a thread about it. It's like a warm cookie, but with teeth. If you know what I mean. Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 It's like a warm cookie, but with teeth. If you know what I mean. I prefer pie, no teeth. If you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 So I assume the consensus (and this doesn't surprise me) is that the amp modelling in the Kronos is sub par? I tried all the different amp models and didn't get acceptable results. I need to look at the Fusion patch and see what they're doing, because I never thought of their amp modelling to be very good. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Paxton Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 So I assume the consensus (and this doesn't surprise me) is that the amp modelling in the Kronos is sub par? That was my conclusion after several frustrating weeks of trying to get its Wurli model to sound as good as the theoretically inferior SV-1. It sounded and felt great to me on the Rhodes models, but conspicuously failed to cut it with the Wurli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Dan, not having a Kronos, it's not my place to say, but do make sure the source sound that is going into each amp model has the appropriate gain and dynamic range to allow the model to bloom. The amp models seem to either muddy it up too much, or if you really hit them hard, the distortion is ugly. The changes to the actual EP model just to seem to go far enough, though I've been able to add some grit (mostly via hammer width and noise). I couldn't tell how much you were playing with input gain into the models, versus gain in the models. A little compression before hitting the models might help, at the expense of creating a more processed sound. I think some of these decisions are carefully pre-calibrated in instruments like the SV-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 I played around with the compressor pedal on the engine itself, but it seemed to just make it sound more clicky. I also played with the gain controls on the amp model wurli itself, as well as different insert amp models (including guitar amp, bass amp, and tube preamp). Strangely enough, I got better results with the phase and chorus pedals on the wurly model than the compressor, but that wasn't the sound I was looking for (in terms of the effect - but it helped a bit with the growl for some reason). Playing cleaner, I think it sounds excellent, btw! It's just when I want it to sound a bit nasty that it doesn't go far enough. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Have you asked Busch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Have you asked Busch? Not directly...come to think of it, I guess he hasn't chimed in here in a while, has he? Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I know he spends some time at the korg forums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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