tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Can this unit be used as a stand alone unit in jazz trio setting with left hand bass or would it require an additional amp to carry the bass? Thinking of using it with my new SK2. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Not enough low end for a live gig without another cabinet. Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3halt Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Well, it depends on the size of the club. I've done that so many times. You can do it because when I played at Andy's in Chicago, I've done that. Also, I did that at different venues. It's possible. However, I sold the Leslie 2101 MKII because I didn't like the tone. I used with the Nord C1/C2, and the Hammond XK-3c. I changed the tube and tried to tweak, but I couldn't get the way I wanted. In my opinion, the Ventilator takes care of it. After I got the Vent, I sold it. You might want to get the Vent and a good full range speaker like QSC K10 or K12. Plus, it's pretty heavy. 58 Hammond B3, 74 Leslie 122, 64 Hammond, A100, 61 Leslie 45, Hammond XK-5 system, Hammond SX Pro, SKX Pro, MAG P-2, etc... owned many others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 Thanks for the feedback. Trying to get away with carrying as little as possible. The Barbetta 32C is ok but still feel I am missing some midrange. A friend of mine has a Behringer B212 for sale. May try that in combo with Barbetta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 Just looked at qsc k12. Are you suggesting that it could be used as stand alone and give me satisfactory across the board response? Possible improvement over the Barbetta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I've heard general purpose keyboard players play a Leslie 2101 and sub out to their other keyboard amps and sound OK. But if was playing strictly organ by the time you pay for a 2101 and a good powered sub you might as well get the Leslie 3300 and be done with it. If you want truly monsterous bass then use the sub out from the 3300. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyClicker Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 The 2101 works for me at home... but alone in a live gig, no cigar. You need a bigger amp for the bass sounds when playing in a bigger club. But, excelent leslie tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3halt Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I used to own the Barbetta 32C, and I know what you mean. It didn't have the punchy midrange, and it was kind of muddy. The QSC Ks are better, and when I got the QSC K10, I sold the Barbetta 32C. It can get really loud, but if you want make it louder, you can always connect to the PA. I did use the QSC K10 alone for many gigs, and it worked. By the way, the Leslie 2101 and the 2101 MKII are very different. The 2101 does need a sub woofer, but for some situations you can just use the 2101 MKII alone. If you don't believe me, this is the proof. [video:youtube] The club Andy's in Chicago is pretty big. I only used the 2101 MKII. I'm just saying these because of my experience of those products, but it can be different to other musicians. If you want to bring less, you might want to tweak the internal sim of the SK2 and use the QSC K10 or K12. I also don't want to bring a lot of stuff when I play gigs. 58 Hammond B3, 74 Leslie 122, 64 Hammond, A100, 61 Leslie 45, Hammond XK-5 system, Hammond SX Pro, SKX Pro, MAG P-2, etc... owned many others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 And the K10 carried the bass line? If that is the case then maybe the K12 may even be better. As always, great playing on Hackensack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 3300 too much to carry around at this stage of my life but I know it is an excellent product. So it seems that I should either use the Behringer B212 in conjunction with Barbetta 32C or consider using either the K10 or K12 as a stand alone amp. I did not think the 2101 would really carry the bass in even a small club but feedback is very important in decision making process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I can testify that the K12 has bass out the wah-zoo. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3halt Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 And the K10 carried the bass line? If that is the case then maybe the K12 may even be better. As always, great playing on Hackensack! Thanks Tom! I got the K10 because K12 is heavier. It does carry the bass line. I would recommend another amp by HS, but it's not sold in the US and Europe unfortunately. This is even better than K10, but HS USA doesn't sell it. It's only sold in Japan, so I recommend QSC K10 or K12. By the way, K8 is pretty good too. 58 Hammond B3, 74 Leslie 122, 64 Hammond, A100, 61 Leslie 45, Hammond XK-5 system, Hammond SX Pro, SKX Pro, MAG P-2, etc... owned many others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 Very cool. I mentioned that other amp to the guy that owns Hammond Organ World in NJ but could not remember the model #. Could shoot me that info? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 At one time I was seriously considering a 2101 MKII. I thought it sounded sweet but as others have stated it doesn't carry the bottom end and would have had to have been used in conjunction with my keyboard amp to provide the good bottom end. It also was expensive and the unit was 50 lbs. After I came to my senses and considered that I was going to have to use my keyboard amp to carry the bottom end anyway it just made sense to move to the Vent which was less expensive, has virtually no footprint and skinnied down my rig without compromising the sound. I've never looked back. 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 I am vent ignorant so need some schooling. Are you suggesting that using the vent with SK2 and Barbetta 32C will improve midrange and overall sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I think they are suggesting SK2 through vent into K10 or K12 Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 The 2101 MkII has speaker outputs so an additional amp or 2 isn't necessary. The built in amp can be used to drive speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 Oh. Actually I think the leslie sim is very acceptable on the SK2. Trying to avoid carrying an amp/leslie and additional speaker/amp. All about compromises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyClicker Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Mine is 2101 Mk1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Get a K12 and be done with it. Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyyd Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 It could be how I have it dialed in, but I don't care for the sound of my XK3c through my QSC K10. It isn't lacking bottom end at all. I just do not enjoy the Leslie sim through the K10. I don't mind the sim through a pair of Yamaha powered speakers, my Peavey PA & Peavey speakers, or headphones too much (though always miss the 3300 when I don't have it). davyyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 3300 would be terrific but refuse to lug it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Yeah, took a look at the weight and it would take two people to lift into a car. It has wheels, but what about clubs with stairs? Eugenio Upright, 60th Ann P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico Bari, Dano Bari Select Strat/Tele, Am Pro Jazzmaster, LP 57 Gold, G5422DC-12, T486, T64, PM2, EXL1, XK4, Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 Way too old for that stuff. Been there done that with the C3 and 147. Gotta lighten the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 Anyone have experience or opinion regarding Alto TS115 powered PA speaker. Rep from Guitar Center seems to recommending for use with keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Yeah, took a look at the weight and it would take two people to lift into a car. It has wheels, but what about clubs with stairs? I put my 3300 in my van by myself all the time. But yes, it's heavy. Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 The key is youth and a van. I have neither.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I used to say.... It aint that heavy but I hurt my back carrying a empty case back out to the trailer last Friday. I'm down in the back pretty bad. I'm using the sim right now. Thanks to Kanker for the XK3 leslie setup parameters! "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 The key is youth and a van. I have neither.. You forgot to add stupidity. Especially since I had back surgery in 2007. But yes, a powered speaker and either the SK2's sim or the Ventilator is the best option. Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompass Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 No...what I continued to do was stupid. Heart attack and quadruple bypass surgery at age 50 in 1993 and continued to drag the beast around for another 7 years or so. Finally parked in a club and used that little VK-7 for other gigs. So so glad to have the SK2 and am researching powered speakers as per recommendations by members of this forum. Not sure I understand the difference between a powered speaker and an amp such as the Barbetta 32c but an anxious to do some experimenting. Interesting thing about the Barbetta is that is a biamp and I do not see powered speakers that are biamps. Not sure how that will affect playing extreme lows in left hand while screaming at top of upper manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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