stepay Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQqTxK7VhSk See 1:43 in. I'm glad Sanborn kept playing. I'll take Curtis Mayfield messing up over just about anyone any time though. Steve (Stevie Ray) "Do the chickens have large talons?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepay Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 Guess you all are not in a commenting mood today. I'll comment. Love that song. Steve (Stevie Ray) "Do the chickens have large talons?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucktunes Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I always enjoyed "Night Music". I was disappointed that it didn't last longer than it did. Thanks for the memory! ><> Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 are you talking about the "32nd note" lick right at 1:43? Stepped on the vocalist. He pulled up quick - Hardly noticeable and look how he repeated it right after - the jazz mistake rule - where the lick belonged in the first place. If that was it, it wasn't much of a mistake and it did not screw up the modulation. Nice to know I have this in common with the great David Sanborn; I make mistakes, too. and thanks for the post- our band needs to do this number tomorrow night. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 are you talking about the "32nd note" lick right at 1:43? Not quite. Both Mayfield and Sanborn started the verse at the same time. Mayfield dropped out. I'm assuming that the sax break should have been there, and Mayfield came in early for the 3rd verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I think the sax lick belonged where it was played, after the "sax blip" I thought Sanborn lightly stepped on the vocals - whether it was his mistake or Mayfields. IMO no saxophone needed to be where the blip was - that's why it started again right after. Sanborn was probably surprised. In my view, the sax should always defer to the singer, which is what Sanborn did. So I don't really hold Sanborn culpable. Just my take on it. And - it's Mayfield's tune - he can sing it any way he wants - so he's never early or late. Ahh the perils of backing up a singer "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 From that same show check out George Duke playing on "It's alright" "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepay Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 are you talking about the "32nd note" lick right at 1:43? Not quite. Both Mayfield and Sanborn started the verse at the same time. Mayfield dropped out. I'm assuming that the sax break should have been there, and Mayfield came in early for the 3rd verse. Yep. Steve (Stevie Ray) "Do the chickens have large talons?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepay Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 I think the sax lick belonged where it was played, after the "sax blip" I thought Sanborn lightly stepped on the vocals - whether it was his mistake or Mayfields. IMO no saxophone needed to be where the blip was - that's why it started again right after. Sanborn was probably surprised. In my view, the sax should always defer to the singer, which is what Sanborn did. So I don't really hold Sanborn culpable. Just my take on it. And - it's Mayfield's tune - he can sing it any way he wants - so he's never early or late. Ahh the perils of backing up a singer I'm assuming, since Sanborn was on the stage, that Sanborn was supposed to have a solo and that it was at that time when Mayfield began singing when he shouldn't have. Anyway, I wish he were still here to make mistakes or not. Steve (Stevie Ray) "Do the chickens have large talons?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQqTxK7VhSk See 1:43 in. I'm glad Sanborn kept playing. I'll take Curtis Mayfield messing up over just about anyone any time though. I'd actually say Sanborn shoulda just laid back and let Curtis sing. It's ain't Sanborn's song after all.... A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I'd actually say Sanborn shoulda just laid back and let Curtis sing. It's ain't Sanborn's song after all.... I'm assuming that would have led to awkward silence. It's like at the grocery store, when one does the left-right-left-right dance with an oncoming person. Someone's gotta just stand firm at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Speculating here .. ... seems to me Curtis completed his phrase and stepped back from the mic very intentionally after the "collision." Maybe Sanborn saw/sensed that. In any case, it's a professional recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Mike Stern attempts to play a Bach violin sonata, to illustrate a point and makes mistakes - about 5:51 in: [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 "I'd actually say Sanborn shoulda just laid back and let Curtis sing. It's ain't Sanborn's song after all...." , said Kanker, above. That is the point I tried to get across above. You have accompanied singers, I bet; Kanker, you are absolutely right. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I'd actually say Sanborn shoulda just laid back and let Curtis sing. It's ain't Sanborn's song after all.... I'm assuming that would have led to awkward silence. It's like at the grocery store, when one does the left-right-left-right dance with an oncoming person. Someone's gotta just stand firm at some point. I meant to lay back entirely. Who needs to hear Sanborn's yakety sax when Curtis is singing? Had Curtis intended for there to be a sax solo in the song, there would have been one in the original A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I get what you're saying, but that was the format of the show, IIRC. Sanborn was part of the house band, and throwing a solo in like that was part of the gig. Of course, I take it kanker's not a Sanborn fan... "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I get what you're saying, but that was the format of the show, IIRC. Sanborn was part of the house band, and throwing a solo in like that was part of the gig. Of course, I take it kanker's not a Sanborn fan... Not in any way, shape or form. That said, it should still be about the song, not the ego. A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I get what you're saying, but that was the format of the show, IIRC. Sanborn was part of the house band, and throwing a solo in like that was part of the gig. Of course, I take it kanker's not a Sanborn fan... Not in any way, shape or form. That said, it should still be about the song, not the ego. It should be about what happened in the rehearsal. This was not a spontaneous act. There was a rehearsal, they got camera angles just like every other TV show. No matter their fame or who is who or whose song it is etc, there is only one constant: The singer screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 If Curtis was cool with the solo being there, so am I. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogmonkey Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I get what you're saying, but that was the format of the show, IIRC. Sanborn was part of the house band, and throwing a solo in like that was part of the gig. Of course, I take it kanker's not a Sanborn fan... Not in any way, shape or form. That said, it should still be about the song, not the ego. It should be about what happened in the rehearsal. This was not a spontaneous act. There was a rehearsal, they got camera angles just like every other TV show. No matter their fame or who is who or whose song it is etc, there is only one constant: The singer screwed up. Haha! Yeah, it seems pretty clear that Sanborn backed off after the collision and then quickly saw that Mayfield was backing off too. So he played his solo, probably as rehearsed. All in all, a good recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 All in all, a good recovery. It was a beautiful thing: people making music. No tape, no mimes, and a mishap here and there to keep everyone on their feet. It shows how utterly ridiculous lip-sync can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgoo Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 It does sound like Sanborn paused but then continued when Curtis backed off. Funny though- I'm always preaching to my praise team: "singer's always right, even when they're wrong" and there have been MANY occasions where a singer has forgotten about a little instrumental break, and I look at the guitarist & shrug "sorry dude". EVERYONE notices when a singer screws up (case in point- this thread). Almost no one notices when a musician screws up. Custom Music, Audio Post Production, Location Audio www.gmma.biz https://www.facebook.com/gmmamusic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Well I see bands make a shitload more mistakes than that. "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogmonkey Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The worst is when there's a collision, and BOTH players back off, leaving a conspicuous hole where there should be a solo. Recently, at a gig with inadequate monitors, I ended up playing a solo at the same time as the trombone. The trombonist was totally oblivious. It was definitely time for a keyboard solo, and I decided that I wasn't going to stop. I thought it was a hilarious good time. The bandleader, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The trombonist was totally oblivious.Indeed. A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 EVERYONE notices when a singer screws up (case in point- this thread). Almost no one notices when a musician screws up. What's really noticeable is when a singer tries to pass themselves off as a musician. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matted stump Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The trombonist was totally oblivious. Froggy, don't you know that's because trombone players rule ??? Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Since we're veering OT, here is another example of a mistake relating to music: [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 It was a beautiful thing: people making music. No tape, no mimes, and a mishap here and there to keep everyone on their feet. It shows how utterly ridiculous lip-sync can be. +1 Technical precision and digital editing have sterilized many recordings and live peformances. Music should be organic. Mistakes are like hiccups that let us know it is a(live). PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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