ken94538 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hi, guys, I just bought a 4 month old Yamaha YDP-V240. I upgraded from DGX640W. The YDP-V240 looks beautiful, and I love to play it. The thing is, the sound is not as bright or clear as my DGX640W. But when I plug my headphone, the sound is perfect. I talked to a guy at youtube, and he said that the YDP-V240 speakers do not have tweeters, while the DGX640W has. That maybe the reason why YDP-V240 not sound as clear or brighter as the DGX640W. But the thing is, when my YDP-V240 play the song demos, it sounds perfectly. Only when I am playing it as a Natural Grand, Grand, or Live Grand, it sounds not as bright or clear as it should be. Anyone know if this is a design problem, or my unit need some repair or service? thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The speakers on the 240 aren't on the top, the way they are on the DGX; this might account for some of what you're experiencing. You can restore the unit to factory settings by turning the power off, holding down the highest note © on the keyboard, and turning the unit on. Note that this will erase any user songs or any settings, but if you just bought it, you probably haven't done anything you couldn't re-do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 When you say that the factory demos are bright and clear, but the pianos are not ... they are both playing the same samples. Unless ... the velocity sensitivity or velocity curves are causing a difference. Also the speaker position as Sven mentioned ... you are likely standing back from the unit when listening to the demos. What happens when you sit in a playing position to listen to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 My guess is that it's a combination of speaker and velocity curve issues. I've noticed on at least two DPs I've owned that the demo is louder and different in tone to that produced by manual playing. The bad news is that I wasn't able to replicate that sound by anything I could tweak manually on the board. My theory is that the demos are boosted artificially loud and bright internally for showroom purposes. The lack of tweeters in your newer piano would only add to that issue - which is why the piano doesn't sound so bad over headphones. Perhaps you need to invest in a pair of decent studio monitors and not rely on the internal speakers? Studio: Yamaha P515 | Yamaha Tyros 5 | Yamaha HX1 | Moog Sub 37 Road: Yamaha YC88 | Nord Electro 5D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashville.Guru Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 To the OP - do you have access to a sequencer - hardware/software? If yes, you could record Midi from the demo, and play it back. If Aidan is right, and the demo audio has been tweaked, you'll notice the difference. You could also verify if the velocity values are in a totally different range in the demo, compared to what you usually play (I'm not sure of hardware sequencers can display note velocity info, but software ones can certainly can). Hope this helps. If you're not familiar with Midi and sequencers, we can guide you step-by-step. .. And welcome to the forum! This is really what MIDI was originally about encouraging cooperation between companies that make the world a more creative place." - Dave Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non ce futuro Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 To the OP - do you have access to a sequencer - hardware/software? If yes, you could record Midi from the demo, and play it back. Only thing is I'm pretty sure the demo songs in the V240 do not transmit via MIDI, so that option won't work. I think it has more to do regarding the MIDI velocities at which the demo songs are programmed, usually higher velocities than "normal" playing. The velocity curve will possibly help, as noted here. And welcome to the forum Ken! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashville.Guru Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Only thing is I'm pretty sure the demo songs in the V240 do not transmit via MIDI, so that option won't work. ... if true, and I think you're right: the YDP-113 manual clearly states that "NOTE: Demo and preset song data are not transmitted via MIDI". While I didn't find any such clear statement in the YDP-V240 manual, it's likely to be the same. OTOH, there are songs provided in the accompanying CD, in the form of SMF files. To the OP - I suggest you check to see whether these songs sound ok. If yes, then it's almost certainly a velocity curve issue. Sven's reset idea should take care of it. I think it has more to do regarding the MIDI velocities at which the demo songs are programmed, usually higher velocities than "normal" playing. The velocity curve will possibly help, as noted here. Again, one way to be absolutely sure of this would be to connect the instrument to a computer, and monitor the velocities, either on a sequencer or the freely downloadable MIDIOX program. This is really what MIDI was originally about encouraging cooperation between companies that make the world a more creative place." - Dave Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non ce futuro Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hmm, my guess is that the demo songs are more "masterized", in the sense that the velocities are much more even around 80-100, so they can take advantage of the brilliance of the sampled sound no matter how vol knob. To play and obtain the same balanced high velocities it's pretty difficult (at least to me, I don't like to play everything ff). The higher the velocities, the more brilliant is the piano sound, so I would recomend to put the vel curve to 'soft', so less strenght will trigger higher velocities (and therefore more briliant piano sound). Just by ear the OP should notice if the sound is closer to the demo songs sound.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken94538 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hi, thank you all for your replies. I did more research. I found that only the A4 B4 C5 D5 E5 F5 keys are a little flat. I did some recording, some MIDI file, and they played perfectly on my iMac. Only when I play it, those keys sound a little flat. Other keys looks fine. So, I think this is not a speaker problem. Maybe the problem is on the keys. But, when recording and use a headphone, the problem just gone. Good thing is that I also have a 3 year warranty for this YDP-V240 from GuitarCenter, so I called them, and they told me they will come pick up and take a look. I will keep you guys posted when I get any new update. And again, Thank you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken94538 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Ok, I had bring the YDP-V240 to a Yamaha service center in San Jose. The technician told me, the YDP-V240 is in perfect condition. It just sound like that, because of the sampling. OK. Everything is good now. thank you all for responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Sorry missed this thread, the best solution if u hear "flaws" is to go to a dealer and try the floor model . If the floor model does the same thing then the problem is you and your ears, the instrument ( as you Found out) is not defective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken94538 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 I also have a Yamaha Acoustic piano. I tried several arius and Clavinova. I found that the C5 key sounds weird, compare to my acoustic. For Clavinova CVP505, the C5 key sounds clear and bright, but other arius and low level clavinova, the C5 key just sound not as clear or bright as it should be. It's a Yamaha sampling problem. Or NO, it's the speaker problem. I talked to some guys on Youtube, and a professional pianist told me that it's because the arius and clavinova low level, do NOT have a tweeter in the speaker, that's why it sounds not as clear and bright as acoustic and some other Yamaha digital pianos like DGX640. Anyway, try the C5 keys, play it, you will hear the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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