jeff7b9 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 So- is there any particular reason to spend $200+ on an exp50 for my SK1? I have been using Ernie Ball Volume Pedals (jr and stereo) for years and have no complaints. I also use a Crybaby Wah, which I love, and a Budda Budwah- (meh, for the money it is not particularly impressive) Obviously, I keep these in my signal flow, in a small pedal board. The expression pedal would communicate directly with the keyboard and would be "assignable" which I take it to be the pros to getting one. I don't mind the space of two pedals, as i like being able to still adjust the volume on a song where I might use the wah. p.s. I have a motion sound 145 and a H&K Rotosphere, so if adjusting leslie sim speed is a function, that wouldn't matter to me. Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Expression pedals should be used for organ emulators instead of inline volume pedals because the tone and overdrive characteristics change with pedal position. This is not possible with a volume pedal put inline after the organ. Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 And you don't need to spend $200. Go buy a $50 Yamaha FC7. That expression pedal also controls the wah wah for the clavinet, which you'll find very fun. And if that $50 is too rich for you, why bother buying a pedal at all? The Sk1 has a volume KNOB. Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWB121234 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Good Pedal discussion already here https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2332520/8/SK_1_and_2_Tips_Tricks_and_Oth I use a Yamaha FC7 and it works fine, though I believe an EXP50 would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 I'll try out an FC7 since the idea of the inline pedal affecting "the tone and overdrive characteristics change with pedal position" is an interesting one. that makes sense, that would be the way it would work on a Hammond. Does the SK1 then simulate overdrive based on the exp pedal position and I'm assuming overall tone, drawbars etc? Sort of like a tube simulator? When I put the pedal to the floor on my M3 I can get that overdrive sound, but that is pushing real tubes, that would be pretty cool if the inline pedal would do that. Do I need to assign OD settings to it to get that to happen (or something along those lines in the menus of the keyboard) or is it just going to happen if I recreate the circumstances of pushing tubes? Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It can. There are a number of options for expression/overdrive control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Doesn't SK1 have a "drive" knob on the front panel to control overdrive? Most clones do, and it's a good thing since it's a great control to have handy. If so, when that knob is at zero, or when Leslie sim is disabled, the expression pedal would act like a volume pedal. When drive is engaged, by default, expression should be gain between organ sim and amp sim (where the overdrive is). This should be true by default, or they seriously goofed. IMHO an expression pedal is crucial to playing blues organ. I want the tone to be sweet when backed off, and get nasty as I dig in, without having to fiddle with controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 There is a drive control knob that will set the maximum overdrive level. If overdrive level is not tied to the expression pedal then this will be the amount of overdrive no matter what. Overdrive can be tied to the exp. pedal in 3 ways:1) EX-OD - As the expression pedal moves, volume and overdrive changes. The overdrive will range from none to the point at which the overdrive knob is set. 2) OD Only - Moving the expression pedal only changes the overdrive level, volume does not change. 3) Input - This is similar to EX-OD but the volume doesn't change as much A fourth option OD-EX puts the overdrive before the expression control so the amount doesn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wright Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 +1 on the FC7 I use one on a Nord C2. The price is right and the pedal is nice and solid, doesn't move on the floor at all. http://www.michaelwwright.com https://www.facebook.com MPN Paetron https://www.patreon.com/musicplayernetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 I ordered the FC7. Thanks for the tips, specifically on the settings for linking the pedal to OD/VOL and the different choices there. Having used a VOCE V5+ previously, this wasn't a factor, but I like the idea of getting the overdrive to work like the real Hammond. Any other tips on the matter are welcome. Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Got it, dig it. Gonna switch out the pedal board now. Still tryin to decide whether I want to assign it as a wah for clav patches or just leave the wah pedal in there, which I might do since then I could use it on organ too. Saved my money and I'm happy with the FC7, gotta mod it for standing up, but that seems pretty easy. Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The organ has a Wah effect too. If you are going to use the Pedal for Wah on the EV's, you should probably set the organ for Wah in that preset too. Set it to have no actual effect though. This way when you Wah the EV the organ volume doesn't go up and down at the same time. There is more information about doing this on Pg. 3 (Post #2367847) of the SK-1 Tips topic (see link above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 gotcha.. probably wont use both simultaneously, just might use it on clav for Stevie wonder type tunes. Actually leaning towards leaving the Crybaby in my pedal board and just swapping the FC7 with my Ernie Ball vol pedal Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 If they both aren't set to wah then when the EV is being Wah'd the volume will be changing on the organ. If you don't have the keyboard split or use a second keyboard it won't matter. If you do, having the organ set to having the pedal control the Wah effect in that preset too will be easier than turning Expression control of volume off since that is a global setting. Setting a preset to use the pedal for the Wah effect overrides the Expression setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 ok. I use a second board as the lower manual, and organ is muted on that manual Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polkahero Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I just got a used FC7 pedal for my Hammond SK1 yesterday. Works great after tweaking some parameters in the SK1 to simulate how my A100/B3 pedals work (still some volume at lowest position and brings in overdrive gradually towards the end of the pedal throw). '57 Hammond B-3, '60 Hammond A100, Leslie 251, Leslie 330, Leslie 770, Leslie 145, Hammond PR-40 Trek II UC-1A Alesis QSR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff7b9 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 +1 on setting the SK1 to play nice with the FC7. TWEAKING is the key to that board, I also set the FC7 to standing position which helped a lot. anyway, even though I am currently using a separate Wah, as previously mentioned, the thought of stereo sound with wah function is enticing. I really prefer to be able to adjust volume without having to take my hands away from the keyboard, so I have to prioritize, but it may be worthwhile to give a go at using the FC7 for wah on a clav patch and see if I dig it. I currently have a crybaby between my SK1 and amp, and using it on a patch with top manual B3, lower manual clav..... damn that was fun, since it was hitting both sounds (pre SK1 my organ sounds were always on a different signal chain) made me look into stereo wah pedals, of which I only found a $199 gigfx ( i think it was called that) that is a lot for another wah, anyone ever try one? Toys: Hammond SK1, Yamaha Motif ES6, Voce V5+, Virus ti 61, Mason & Hamlin upright, Everett upright, Hammond M3, Korg CX3 analog, Motion Sound Pro145, QSC K10, H&K Rotosphere.. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoooombiex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The Moog expression pedal is pretty cheap ($40) & solidly built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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