Jeremy Mitchell Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Just when I thought Carlos may have restored some credibility he goes & performs with Beiber wonder if I'll get any $$ if I try to sell my Santana records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyBlues Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 At a minimum, and this is a stretch, it should've been Santana's song and little JB could've joined in to sing backup or something. Even that makes me want to puke. Hitz all about duh money baby. nauseating. I was born at night but I wasn't born last night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 [video:youtube] What the f***'s a Bieber?! A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Psmith Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 At least Ozzy gets all the good lines in that one! "Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King http://www.novparolo.com https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEHpicker Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Always thought - hey Bieber must be talented... he seems to be so popular with the younger generation... must be something there... and then I saw him perform on TV. Nothin but a highly promoted teen with no more talent that the average kid in the hood. Geeeeez. Just proves that talent is not necessary to hit the big time. Plenty of hype will do the trick. What a bunch of sheep. SEHpicker The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 He's a kid. His mom posted vids of him singing on youtube and girls went crazy over them, got millions of views, Usher's production company sought him out and packaged him. He's Donny Osmond, Paul Anka, Bobby Sherman... whatever teen idol seels records to young females in every generation. It is what it is... and it is very profitable for someone. That said he does play a few instruments... drums, guitar... my stepdad (a black jazz musician) won't give The Beatles a break because as far as he's concerned there's nothing more to it than "She Loves You YEAH YEAH YEAH..." which next to Motown and Fats Domino at the time was "a pathetic load of crap for screaming 12 year old girls." Who knows... maybe Bieber will become a great artiste someday... but he doesn't really compete with any "serious" musicians at the moment so what does it matter? Santana is the kind of humble guy who's always looking to give credit to younger musicians and collaborate, which is a cool thing, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 my stepdad (a black jazz musician) won't give The Beatles a break because as far as he's concerned there's nothing more to it than "She Loves You YEAH YEAH YEAH..." Your stepdad may wish to reflect for a moment on how many jazz cats have done covers of "Blackbird". Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Psmith Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I'd love to see Santana hand the kid a nice solidbody, whip out something from the Love, Devotion, Surrender period, then say, "Now, you do that!" "Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King http://www.novparolo.com https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf by Night Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I'd love to see Santana hand the kid a nice solidbody, whip out something from the Love, Devotion, Surrender period, then say, "Now, you do that!" Yeah, just trade some eights! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 My take on The Beibs: he has some talent, which got him exposure. What he needs now is a little guidance in taste. Hanging out with Carlos- and others as time goes by- may be what opens his doors of perception. And no, I didn't mean that in the weed sense. (OK, maybe just a little.) Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Maybe it would give Beibity-bobbity-boo more cred if he and one of those guys from Slipknot did Cee Lo Green's "F--- You"... Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Psmith Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Maybe it would give Beibity-bobbity-boo more cred if he and one of those guys from Slipknot did Cee Lo Green's "F--- You"... That could actually be entertaining - not good, by any standard, but entertaining. I'd rather watch that, than most awards-show mismatches. "Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King http://www.novparolo.com https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Maybe it would give Beibity-bobbity-boo more cred if he and one of those guys from Slipknot did Cee Lo Green's "F--- You"... That could actually be entertaining - not good, by any standard, but entertaining. I'd rather watch that, than most awards-show mismatches. Nah, his voice is still too light in tone to deliver a convincing rendition of that song. It would be laughable. But I'd like to see him get a solid backup band and try out some funk/dance-influenced pop like you get from Duran Duran, Justin Timberlake or Maroon 5. Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 But I'd like to see him get a solid backup band and try out some funk-influenced pop like you get from Justin Timbrtlake or Maroon 5. He's marketed to 12 year old girls for a reason. There are way too many fully formed mature artists out there to waste any time on a child who's just starting to take his first baby steps. Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 But I'd like to see him get a solid backup band and try out some funk-influenced pop like you get from Justin Timbrtlake or Maroon 5. He's marketed to 12 year old girls for a reason. There are way too many fully formed mature artists out there to waste any time on a child who's just starting to take his first baby steps. Well, yeah. I'm talking about his future...which is why I mentioned Timberlake in particular. He made the transition that so few do. I mean, besides Timberlake, there's MJ, some of the guys from New Edition and a handful more whose careers never really sagged after transitioning from kiddie pop to more adult fare. Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 But I'd like to see him get a solid backup band and try out some funk-influenced pop like you get from Justin Timbrtlake or Maroon 5. He's marketed to 12 year old girls for a reason. There are way too many fully formed mature artists out there to waste any time on a child who's just starting to take his first baby steps. Well, yeah. I'm talking about his future...which is why I mentioned Timberlake in particular. He made the transition that so few do. I mean, besides Timberlake, there's MJ, some of the guys from New Edition and a handful more whose careers never really sagged after transitioning from kiddie pop to more adult fare. Compare Bieber the 16 year old kiddy pop star to Steve Winwood, who at 16 was fronting the Spencer Davis Group with legit rock/R & B hits & never needed to switch from pablum to solid food in the public spotlight. His talent was already established. I can't get get too excited about someone who MIGHT turn out to be good when he has a whole lot more experience behind him. Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I can't say I'm "excited", just curious to see if he's the next Justin Timberlake or the next Leif Garrett. (Sorry Leif.) Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel E. Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Santana has no standards and will play with anyone. He recorded a song with the singer from Nickelback for god's sake! Basically if Clive Davis tells him to do it, he does it. "You never can vouch for your own consciousness." - Norman Mailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Basically if Clive Davis tells him to do it, he does it. He seems to make a better than average living doing what Davis tells him to. That might help him keep from dying penniless and forgotten except by a few folks who admire his integrity from their own cardboard condos on scenic Skid Row... Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Basically if Clive Davis tells him to do it, he does it. He seems to make a better than average living doing what Davis tells him to. That might help him keep from dying penniless and forgotten except by a few folks who admire his integrity from their own cardboard condos on scenic Skid Row... Except... after Supernatural sold 27 million records worldwide, he's far beyond needing to worry about dying penniless and forgotten. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyBlues Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 You know, upon further review if just one JB fan discovers Santana's music because of this gig, well it makes it worthwhile in my book. I was born at night but I wasn't born last night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Basically if Clive Davis tells him to do it, he does it. He seems to make a better than average living doing what Davis tells him to. That might help him keep from dying penniless and forgotten except by a few folks who admire his integrity from their own cardboard condos on scenic Skid Row... Except... after Supernatural sold 27 million records worldwide, he's far beyond needing to worry about dying penniless and forgotten. Which Clive Davis told him to do... Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 He seems to make a better than average living doing what Davis tells him to. That might help him keep from dying penniless and forgotten except by a few folks who admire his integrity from their own cardboard condos on scenic Skid Row... Except... after Supernatural sold 27 million records worldwide, he's far beyond needing to worry about dying penniless and forgotten. Which Clive Davis told him to do... Yeah, I get that, I'm just saying that money is no longer a valid motivation for debasing himself like this... A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 You know, upon further review if just one JB fan discovers Santana's music because of this gig, well it makes it worthwhile in my book. Excellent point! Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 He seems to make a better than average living doing what Davis tells him to. That might help him keep from dying penniless and forgotten except by a few folks who admire his integrity from their own cardboard condos on scenic Skid Row... Except... after Supernatural sold 27 million records worldwide, he's far beyond needing to worry about dying penniless and forgotten. Which Clive Davis told him to do... Yeah, I get that, I'm just saying that money is no longer a valid motivation for debasing himself like this... Paying back a debt to Davis could be... Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Paying back a debt to Davis could be... What debt could he possibly owe Davis, considering Davis not only got producer points for Supernatural, but it was released under the label, J Records, that Davis built and later sold for a handsome profit to BMG on the coattails of the mega-success of that record. Clive has made several fortunes from that project. Carlos doesn't owe him anything for that. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 What debt could he possibly owe Davis, Some homemade empanadas? Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Clive has made several fortunes from that project. Carlos doesn't owe him anything for that. Carlos made some money out of it too. Some folks, especially spiritually minded folks like Carlos, might consider that something they owed Clive one for, simply out of gratitude. Karma and all that, y'know? Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Clive has made several fortunes from that project. Carlos doesn't owe him anything for that. Carlos made some money out of it too. Some folks, especially spiritually minded folks like Carlos, might consider that something they owed Clive one for, simply out of gratitude. Karma and all that, y'know? Maybe. Carlos has been around the block in the music industry enough times in 50 years that he also knows that Clive made a lot more money off that record as both the label and the producer than he did as a performer, considering he only got a piece of the publishing on 6 of the 13 songs and only one of the three hit singles. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Maybe Carlos remembers being given shit by people when he was a 17 year old Mexican kid playing guitar on the streets of San Francisco and someone decided to be cool to him? I remember an interview after he'd done some shows filling in for the then-recently-deceased Jerry Garcia in the Dead, and everyone was raving about it and the interviewer asked if he was considering staying on permanently, and he said "no, that was a tribute to my brother, Jerry. Musically it's not my thing... I've never been into what they do, it's not where I'm coming from, but that doesn't stop me from respecting what they do and respecting and loving them as people." I'm with him... I know some people I like a lot whose music I don't like... and some people whose music I like that I can't stand as people. I'd rather play with the first group, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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