I-missRichardTee Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I have two places that create this impression.. Guitar Center(s) and bass forums. The GuitarCenter observation is not scientific. But the bass vs keys forum comparo seems more telling. True?' If so, why? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 What is this "bass guitar" of which you speak? I play guitar, electric bass, and keys. I've never heard of a "bass guitar" - is that anything like a "salmon organ"? A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonianKing Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Can you be more specific, i honestly didn't understand "The purple piper plays his tune, The choir softly sing; Three lullabies in an ancient tongue, For the court of the crimson king" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadslayer Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 What is this "bass guitar" of which you speak? I play guitar, electric bass, and keys. I've never heard of a "bass guitar" - is that anything like a "salmon organ"? How about one ofd these babies: Guitarron Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 Sorry for vagueness.Tryin to be more succinct! Bass forum vs keyboard corner- huge difference in activity. Are there larger keyboard forums ? Guitar Center is looking deader and deader maybe it's 50 50 @ GC though... both pretty dead. But forums, bass forum ( not the deep sea thing nor the Shoe) have WAY more activity than keyboard corner. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Still not getting you. The KC corner has always had the most activity (I frequent a number of them)... At this moment I looked and it had 88 viewing (what are the chances of that? ) while the lowdown had 20. Although if the numbers were reversed, I don't know that it would mean anything. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 Bass Talk currently 183 Make sense yet? Let me try this- never tried this one before! Basses [bG] (334 Viewing) Guitar Fetish now selling... by electracoyote Today 02:56 PM 127,260 2,679,880 Ryan L., john turner, smperry, Mark Wilson, Bryan R. Tyler Amps [bG] (189 Viewing) Jule (Monique) Line Driver by chadds Today 02:52 PM 106,528 1,564,278 WillPlay4Food, Chef, IvanMike, bassybill, Kelly Lee, Thor, john turner Pickups & Electronics [bG] (29 Viewing) Evidence Audio Reveal vs.... by bass07 Today 02:41 PM 30,772 234,812 Ívar Þórólfsson, grygrx Effects [bG] (80 Viewing) MXR Bass Compressor by KJung Today 02:52 PM 36,674 539,929 Adam Barkley, David Wilson, grygrx Strings [bG] (54 Viewing) TI Jazz Flats, need help and... by SLaPiNFuNK Today 01:45 PM 16,254 163,407 JayAmel Hardware, Setup & Repair [bG] (17 Viewing) 1978 Ovation Magnum Setup by MusicMan27 Today 02:36 PM 17,583 138,022 Joshua, HeavyDuty Bassists [bG] (40 Viewing) John Deacon Bass Legend by markob Today 02:28 PM 12,864 334,057 j-raj, Ívar Þórólfsson Recordings [bG] (10 Viewing) Original Bands - Lets hear... by Thor Today 02:30 PM 16,775 212,357 Blackbird, Josh Ryan Recording Gear and Equipment [bG] (8 Viewing) Forum for any issues regarding recording and recording gear Logic Studio Pro 9 not so... by TRichardsbass Today 02:53 PM 6,537 57,813 Basschair, JoshB Live Sound [bG] (7 Viewing) New! All issues related to live sound reinforcement & PA systems Do i need a shock mount rack... by Airyj13 Today 02:38 PM 2,697 39,995 JayAmel, JoshB Technique [bG] (16 Viewing) Bass guitar technique discussions Right hand by Red_Sox_1 Today 02:34 PM 10,138 146,685 Pacman, Chef General Instruction [bG] (20 Viewing) General questions regarding bass playing, theory, and bass lessons. I think I figured out the... by mambo4 Today 01:55 PM 11,396 157,096 Blackbird, Mark Wilson Tablature [bG] (15 Viewing) Bass guitar tabs, tab discussion, and tab requests "Cygnus X-1" by Rush by LowEndMan2112 Today 12:23 PM 6,456 28,016 Hategear, SoComSurfing Bass Humor & Gig Stories [bG] (21 Viewing) Bass jokes, musician jokes, gigs gone wrong... Chick vs Chick w/Bass: Seven... by Thor Today 02:34 PM 6,069 211,821 Ryan L., Thor Band Management [bG] (22 Viewing) Examining issues with band membership, interaction, politics, and management. Why Some Musicians Don't Gig by bluewine Today 02:53 PM 8,664 216,747 Ívar Þórólfsson, David Wilson, Thor Luthier's Corner (39 Viewing) Discussion on instrument building, repair, and materials. Fretboard wood by Mr Cooper Today 02:42 PM 14,936 196,431 You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Bass Talk currently 183 Make sense yet? No, unless you wand to make a point that the musicplayer forums have less activity. I guess in you want to try to compare all the online activity of all forums you could make some sort of comparison. There are lots of keyboard forums, including ones by each manufacturer, like Korg, there's harmony central, this one, at least one Hammond forum, and I'm sure plenty of others. Even then, I would expect there to be more bass players. Almost all bands have a bass player, not all have a keyboard player. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JpScoey Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Almost all bands have a bass player, not all have a keyboard player. ^^^ THIS. John. some stuff on myspace Nord: StageEX-88, Electro2-73, Hammond: XK-1, Yamaha: XS7 Korg: M3-73 EXpanded, M50-88, X50, Roland: Juno D, Kurzweil: K2000vp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzikTeechur Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 "Bass guitar overtaking keyboard..." Hmm, I suppose that's ONE way to interpret the data. Another might be that every idiot with Rock 'n Roll aspirations HAS to have a bass or guitar for his/her 11th birthday. There are legions of idiots out there who know three chords/bass notes and worship at the altar of screamo and thrash metal. Far fewer find glamour in keyboards. Ergo; less people signed onto the keyboard corner. Nearly every band has a bass player, but not all have keyboard players. So, it's probably just a reflection of the ratio of bass to keyboard players. Muzikteechur is Lonnie, in Kittery, Maine. HS music teacher: Concert Band, Marching Band, Jazz Band, Chorus, Music Theory, AP Music Theory, History of Rock, Musical Theatre, Piano, Guitar, Drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 There are legions of idiots out there who know three chords/bass notes and worship at the altar of screamo and thrash metal. There are even larger legions of idiots out there who think that it only requires three notes to play screamo and thrash metal, and are stuck in the old pre-rock'n'roll mindset, because they're applying the same description of early rock'n'roll (which was three chords, being largely derivative of blues traditions) to whatever modern music annoys them most. Educate yourself about what you hate, lest you find yourself looking like an idiot when you criticize it. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 My post or is it thread is based on two observations Guitar Center vacuum is the other. When I walk in the keyboard section of GC it feels creepy. There is less gear than there used to be. Less people playing actual valid ( oh excuuuse me IMO valid - better? ) keyboard music. More youngin 's playing nonsense sounds vs music. My foot crushing a cigar is a sound, but it ain't music. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Is bass guitar really overtaking keyboards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 My foot crushing a cigar is a sound, but it ain't music. Thankfully for the rest of us, no one has offered you a recording contract or a paid booking to perform the act of crushing a cigar with your foot in front of a mic. Oddly enough, there are people out there who like these "nonsense sounds", and buy the recordings of said sounds, and go watch people make those sounds in a live setting. I'm not saying screamo or gangsta rap or whatever flavor of the week is my cup 'o' tea, but your elitism has the subtle flavor of jealousy intermingled in it... A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Is missRichardTee really overtaking Keyboard Corner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Is missRichardTee really overtaking Keyboard Corner? He's trying like hell... A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourniplus Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 is it me or he appeared pretty much at the same time that MidiJR disappeared? "Show me all the blueprints. I'm serious now, show me all the blueprints." My homemade instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonianKing Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 is it me or he appeared pretty much at the same time that MidiJR disappeared? Yeah, i'm starting to get suspicious "The purple piper plays his tune, The choir softly sing; Three lullabies in an ancient tongue, For the court of the crimson king" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 is it me or he appeared pretty much at the same time that MidiJR disappeared? Yeah, i'm starting to get suspicious +1000 When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 is it me or he appeared pretty much at the same time that MidiJR disappeared? It's 100% not MidiJR. Comparision of communication styles / content will reveal that. One is a bit verbose and not necessarily acclimated to forum etiquette, but has real points to make informed by real experience. The other is an entertaining nutjob. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02R96 Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Thankfully for the rest of us, no one has offered you a recording contract or a paid booking to perform the act of crushing a cigar with your foot in front of a mic. Maybe someone needs a Foley Artist? :idk Dan "I hate what I've become, trying to escape who I am..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 I take it, I have "poisoned my well", well over a week ago in previous posts due to lack of etiquette and unyielding approach, oh well. There is nothing I can see in this thread that hints at envy ( I think "jealousy", is maybe more a human to human thing- Purportedly like Robert Wagner and Chris Walkien. ) Envious of what, guys who make "music" that is hardly worthy of the name? Really? Those who feel that way are sadly lacking in discrimination. The generations after mine, have been fed a lot of indiscriminate ideas- a removing of all or most of what previous generations were taught. I have a blend of contempt and pity for such; depending on my mood. There is not a thing to be envious of in this thread except the age old people with a thimble of talent , plus strong ambition who also have people skills -get the money and take the crowd down well worn boring trite trails. My mind is quite open to music of all kinds... I am unfairly being labeled but I'm a pretty tough character with a lot of experience under my belt... If you cats, dudes, whatevers, wish me to depart, just say so. Trust me, it is more your loss than mine. I was speaking to a young retiree from a college who taught music for 32 years, just this very night as a matter of fact. He has repressed his negative feelings about teaching in todays "atmosphere". All or most of the rules we were trained with have been made obsolete or a joke. He no doubt had to bite his tongue too many times. The more restrictions, limits, the greater the musical surprises. The incalcuably great Pablo Casals said "Fantasy, but with order", later on I heard "Freedom within the Form". Eg The concept of dissonance and consonance is not in any way shape or form, arbitrary. If that makes me an elitist, knock yourselves out. I am not angry, just disappointed at what a "great" job the new culture shapers have done to eradicate the previous cultures. Even the hundreds of wise sayings from Shakespeare to Bible to Americana, GONE in a flash. Very sad for America. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Even then, I would expect there to be more bass players. Almost all bands have a bass player, not all have a keyboard player. Yet you'll also hear complaints from bassists that it's hard to get work because of keyboard players covering LH bass. But then, bassists will complain about anything. ;-) Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzikTeechur Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 There are legions of idiots out there who know three chords/bass notes and worship at the altar of screamo and thrash metal. There are even larger legions of idiots out there who think that it only requires three notes to play screamo and thrash metal, and are stuck in the old pre-rock'n'roll mindset, because they're applying the same description of early rock'n'roll (which was three chords, being largely derivative of blues traditions) to whatever modern music annoys them most. Educate yourself about what you hate, lest you find yourself looking like an idiot when you criticize it. I'm sorry. I meant that there are Legions of Idiots who know TWO chords (E minor and D minor), worship at the altar of screamo and thrash metal, and think that a bass drum playing repetitive 16th and 32nd notes, obscuring everything from about 1000 Hz down is the height of Art. I don't deny that tons of brain-addled angry white teens actually pay good money for this music, but I find it hard to believe that this is the end-product of the natural evolution of music. These bands put a premium on Volume, Distortion, and Speed. Not musicality. This is, of course, my opinion. With my students I keep that opinion to myself because I do not believe it is my duty to tell the kids what is "good" or "bad" music. Musical choice is a very personal thing. I don't believe I used the word "hate." Music does not exist to be "loved" or "hated." It exists to evoke feeling - good, bad, or indifferent, in the listener. If YOU feel "hate" when you hear a certain music, then that's your issue, not mine. I don't "hate" any type of music. There are certain types I listen to, and certain types I don't listen to. If that makes me a "pre Rock 'n Roll idiot" in your opinion, that's fine by me. I still make 100% of my income by teaching and performing music. And I live well. Muzikteechur is Lonnie, in Kittery, Maine. HS music teacher: Concert Band, Marching Band, Jazz Band, Chorus, Music Theory, AP Music Theory, History of Rock, Musical Theatre, Piano, Guitar, Drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I take it, I have "poisoned my well", well over a week ago in previous posts due to lack of etiquette and unyielding approach, oh well. There is nothing I can see in this thread that hints at envy ( I think "jealousy", is maybe more a human to human thing- Purportedly like Robert Wagner and Chris Walkien. ) Envious of what, guys who make "music" that is hardly worthy of the name? Really? Those who feel that way are sadly lacking in discrimination. The generations after mine, have been fed a lot of indiscriminate ideas- a removing of all or most of what previous generations were taught. I have a blend of contempt and pity for such; depending on my mood. There is not a thing to be envious of in this thread except the age old people with a thimble of talent , plus strong ambition who also have people skills -get the money and take the crowd down well worn boring trite trails. My mind is quite open to music of all kinds... I am unfairly being labeled but I'm a pretty tough character with a lot of experience under my belt... If you cats, dudes, whatevers, wish me to depart, just say so. Trust me, it is more your loss than mine. I was speaking to a young retiree from a college who taught music for 32 years, just this very night as a matter of fact. He has repressed his negative feelings about teaching in todays "atmosphere". All or most of the rules we were trained with have been made obsolete or a joke. He no doubt had to bite his tongue too many times. The more restrictions, limits, the greater the musical surprises. The incalcuably great Pablo Casals said "Fantasy, but with order", later on I heard "Freedom within the Form". Eg The concept of dissonance and consonance is not in any way shape or form, arbitrary. If that makes me an elitist, knock yourselves out. I am not angry, just disappointed at what a "great" job the new culture shapers have done to eradicate the previous cultures. Even the hundreds of wise sayings from Shakespeare to Bible to Americana, GONE in a flash. Very sad for America. ; How will it be our loss? We don't even know you? "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 There are legions of idiots out there who know three chords/bass notes and worship at the altar of screamo and thrash metal. There are even larger legions of idiots out there who think that it only requires three notes to play screamo and thrash metal, and are stuck in the old pre-rock'n'roll mindset, because they're applying the same description of early rock'n'roll (which was three chords, being largely derivative of blues traditions) to whatever modern music annoys them most. Educate yourself about what you hate, lest you find yourself looking like an idiot when you criticize it. I'm sorry. I meant that there are Legions of Idiots who know TWO chords (E minor and D minor), worship at the altar of screamo and thrash metal, and think that a bass drum playing repetitive 16th and 32nd notes, obscuring everything from about 1000 Hz down is the height of Art. I don't deny that tons of brain-addled angry white teens actually pay good money for this music, but I find it hard to believe that this is the end-product of the natural evolution of music. These bands put a premium on Volume, Distortion, and Speed. Not musicality. This is, of course, my opinion. With my students I keep that opinion to myself because I do not believe it is my duty to tell the kids what is "good" or "bad" music. Musical choice is a very personal thing. I don't believe I used the word "hate." Music does not exist to be "loved" or "hated." It exists to evoke feeling - good, bad, or indifferent, in the listener. If YOU feel "hate" when you hear a certain music, then that's your issue, not mine. I don't "hate" any type of music. There are certain types I listen to, and certain types I don't listen to. If that makes me a "pre Rock 'n Roll idiot" in your opinion, that's fine by me. I still make 100% of my income by teaching and performing music. And I live well. Your original post claimed "three chords/bass notes". It's one thing to say they know two power chord forms (actually it's E5 and A5 for most of them, only a handful know the D5 form), it's something completely different to say they all only use the same three notes - particularly when most metal uses chord progressions far, far more adventurous than the garden variety pop and rock which floods the radio these days. That's what made you sound like an idiot. And there is also an important distinction - I never called you an idiot, I inferred that there were a lot of people out there who say those kinds of things that actually believe there is no complexity or technical prowess involved in performing "screamo" or "thrash metal". Like I said - I don't care for the stuff, but I understand it enough to where I can appreciate that the people that perform it well are technically adept at their chosen instruments, even if they choose to employ that skill in an extremely non-musical fashion. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzikTeechur Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Griff, I was exaggerating and generalizing. Therefore I'm not going to get into specifics. If you like this form of music, and can make money at it, then enjoy. You may notice that I did not call you names or label YOU an "idiot." When you can do the same, I'll be happy to discuss it with you. Muzikteechur is Lonnie, in Kittery, Maine. HS music teacher: Concert Band, Marching Band, Jazz Band, Chorus, Music Theory, AP Music Theory, History of Rock, Musical Theatre, Piano, Guitar, Drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Obviously you posted before my edit, so I'll repost what I added: There is an important distinction to be made here - I never called you an idiot, I inferred that there were a lot of people out there who say those kinds of things that actually believe there is no complexity or technical prowess involved in performing "screamo" or "thrash metal". Like I said - I don't care for the stuff, but I understand it enough to where I can appreciate that the people that perform it well are technically adept at their chosen instruments, even if they choose to employ that skill in an extremely non-musical fashion. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Oh - and the reason I get testy about this kind of interaction is because I used to listen to people use the same tired lines in reference to the music I used to write (progressive metal), back when I was actively writing songs, and I know damned well the amount of effort that went into the writing and performing of that material. So it is offensive to me when I hear people start throwing that same tired line out in reference to any genre of music where it is clearly, even to the casual listener, simply not true. I had a music teacher in high school that hated rock music and heavy metal, in fact he outright hated the guitar as a lead instrument. You remind me a great deal of him, for some reason. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisE Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Welcome to the forum Mr. Tee . IF you have a purported dual personality, then I rather enjoy this one . IMO you carry yourself very well and appear to speak wisely from much life experience, as well as from your soul. It appears that some folks become suspicious, when a wise man shows up with some interesting thoughts on music and life. If they don't appreciate your opinion, then one should consider reserving to comment. It's a sad reality that, in our hectic disposable society, people can't wait to shred others under the microscope, only to hide behind their own flaws . Getting along in a group is all about being in the middle, but very few seem to understand this concept . In the meantime, be courageous, keep posting and leave it to the moderators to decide our fate here . My world: www.chriselkins.ca Roland D-70/SC-55, Kawai K5000s, Korg Triton Extreme 88, Yamaha MO8, Yamaha SY-99, Technics SX-U90P 'Pro90' "I've heard a lot worse!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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