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Should I Swap Hammond XK1 for XK3C roughly even?


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I am currently using an SK1 due to it's lightweight, small footprint & usable piano sounds. Great for gigs requiring me to play both guitar & keys. I also have an XK1 in limbo for the time being. I was offered a trade in lieu of partial payment for a Farfisa Compact Deluxe repair/refurbish job I did. The customer is interested in swapping his XK3C for my XK1 + will provide partial payment on the refurb job. I play only keys (no guitar) in my second project and am considering using the XK1 or XK3C for that, along with some kind of piano (brand/model not thought through yet). The SK1 may be to small for that gig. Anyway, pricewise the XK3C deal looks very good but I have no experience with the XK3C; only the XK1. Should I swap the XK1 for the XK3C or keep the XK1? Is there some advantage of XK3C over XK1? Or perhaps I should stay with the SK1 for every gig & sell whatever XK I end up with? I've only got a couple days to decide. A bit convoluted however any informative suggestions are appreciated. Thanks
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I think XK3c is in almost all aspects better than XK1. THe only downside to XK3c is the increased weight and size compared to XK1. Also, keybed is different, but that's pretty much a subject of individual taste.
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As stated, the XK3c is heavier than the XK1. I'm not certain what the case is made out of on the XK1, but on the XK3c I'm constantly worrying about dinging up the wood.

The XK3c is a much more expensive board, so if it's an even swap (or close to even) whoever ends up with the 3c is, in my opinion, getting the better deal.

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It's not that heavy, shut up and lift it. Get the XK-3C it is worth it. the XK-1 is not bad board but you have a ton more options with the XK-3C.

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XK-3c hands down. This trade sounds like such a good deal I would kind of be worried if there was anything wrong with the XK3c.

 

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I'm not sure I understand your comment of " ..The SK1 may be too small for that gig..." In what regard? not enough keys to play piano? as you already own an SK1 and XK1, I'm not sure what advantage you have swapping the XK1 (which you mentioned is in limbo) for an XK3C other than you would be getting an slight upgrade. But, you already have the upgrade in an SK1. You mentioned the SK1 has a 'usable' piano so it sounds as though you are not super content with that keyboard also being your piano module. Maybe you should look to upgrade in that area rather than the organ area.

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CEB, The XK3c is still under warranty so if any problems I'm OK (shipping & delay....no big deal). D-Dave, I think you have stated the reasons for my hesitation to take what seems like a great offer. It doesn't really solve my board needs. The all-keys project (I don't play guitar in this one) started as organ-only; I stated up front...no piano, no synth; just classic Hammond tones. It has become obvious that many of the tunes beg for piano so here I am with a 61 key board, often split into both piano & organ simutaneously. Seems small. I've lugged too much gear over the years to want to carry much heavy stuff, maybe the XK1 & SK1, or the XK3c & SK1 (only 7 or 8 lbs more but bulkier). Or sell one of them & pick up a lightweight piano (any suggestions? Different thread I suppose). Still....I've never used an XK3c; and it surely seems like an offer I shouldn't refuse.
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I think you should make the swap and then swap the SK1 for a board that has better piano, EP, and synth sounds, something like a Nord Stage 2. But you'll have to lay down some cash to do that

Personally I have SK1 and NS2 Compact (73 keys) and I couldn't be happier.

 

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XK3c all the way. It's a no brainer.

 

No downside, over what your current rig is, except you've stepped up, functionally with the organ.

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Why not put the XK-1 under the SK-1 and in effect have an SK-2 when you need all the sounds and more keys to play them. You will also have 2 sets of drawbars so you will have an enhanced SK-2.

 

Or, get the XK-3c and put the SK-1 under it (although some of the controls may be hard to reach if they are close together) and have a "Super" System.

 

Lots of options, all good.

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2 sets of tonebars! ( huge deal for me)

Lower manual option

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I really like the action on the XK3c also. I never played the XK-1. If I was doing a organ only gig I would be playing a twin manual XK-pro system.

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It has become obvious that many of the tunes beg for piano so here I am with a 61 key board, often split into both piano & organ simutaneously. Seems small. I've lugged too much gear over the years to want to carry much heavy stuff, maybe the XK1 & SK1, or the XK3c & SK1 (only 7 or 8 lbs more but bulkier).

 

In light of this, I'd keep the SK1, sell the XK1 or trade it for the XK3c and sell that (you'll get more money) and buy a lightweight digital piano that you can MIDI to the SK1 if you want. A Privia PX3 or PX330 would fit the bill nicely. With the SK1 and PX3 you'd be looking at 40lbs total.

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It has become obvious that many of the tunes beg for piano so here I am with a 61 key board, often split into both piano & organ simutaneously. Seems small. I've lugged too much gear over the years to want to carry much heavy stuff, maybe the XK1 & SK1, or the XK3c & SK1 (only 7 or 8 lbs more but bulkier).

 

In light of this, I'd keep the SK1, sell the XK1 or trade it for the XK3c and sell that (you'll get more money) and buy a lightweight digital piano that you can MIDI to the SK1 if you want. A Privia PX3 or PX330 would fit the bill nicely. With the SK1 and PX3 you'd be looking at 40lbs total.

 

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Outkaster, I love my xk3c....but it isn't lightweight esp. when you add in the lower manual, pedals, etc. :)

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It has become obvious that many of the tunes beg for piano so here I am with a 61 key board, often split into both piano & organ simutaneously. Seems small. I've lugged too much gear over the years to want to carry much heavy stuff, maybe the XK1 & SK1, or the XK3c & SK1 (only 7 or 8 lbs more but bulkier).

 

In light of this, I'd keep the SK1, sell the XK1 or trade it for the XK3c and sell that (you'll get more money) and buy a lightweight digital piano that you can MIDI to the SK1 if you want. A Privia PX3 or PX330 would fit the bill nicely. With the SK1 and PX3 you'd be looking at 40lbs total.

 

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Outkaster, I love my xk3c....but it isn't lightweight esp. when you add in the lower manual, pedals, etc. :)

 

That's true but still lighter than some keyboards in the late 80's and early 90's.

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DGAS, it's sounds like a really good deal, however, if you are not going to do the trade maybe you could help me out. Not trying to be too bold here, but I have an xk-1 I purchased in May, and would be interested in a possible trade with Mr. xk3c depending on logistics etc. that said, go for it!
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In light of this, I'd keep the SK1, sell the XK1 or trade it for the XK3c and sell that (you'll get more money) and buy a lightweight digital piano that you can MIDI to the SK1 if you want. A Privia PX3 or PX330 would fit the bill nicely. With the SK1 and PX3 you'd be looking at 40lbs total.

 

This is the optimum solution, IMO. Do the trade, sell the XK3c, buy a lightweight weighted controller, and have money left over to waste on wine, women, and song.

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Lot's of good points, thanks. It seems like a no-brainer to swap for the XK3c; however there are a few downsides. The carry issue (heavier & larger than XK1), the incompatibility of my Leslie connectors XM-22 & XM-47 (these fit SK1 & XK1 but not XK3c). I like the swap & sell suggestion; buy a lightweight piano to go with the SK-1. I'm a guitarist-playing-organist who got blindsided into playing piano tunes part of the time. I'm too sloppy a' piano player on unweighted keys, can't handle fully weighted keys. Guess I'll look for semi-weights, don't need full 88s. Any suggestions on that?
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I have been debating this also. I have owned an XK-1 now for a few weeks and have a few more weeks to return it if I want to. I am enjoying this organ but am thinking that I should go all the way and just get the XK-3c. Yes, it is heaver than the XK-1, but only 3 1/2 lbs more than my Kurz PC3 which I can move around ok.

 

BTW, I have found out today from Hammond (phone call) that the XK-1 is now discontinued (also not listed on most major internet retailers sites either).

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I have found out today from Hammond (phone call) that the XK-1 is now discontinued

Yeah, I thought that would happen... with the Sks and all.

The Xk-1 was cheaper/lighter/smaller than the Xk-3c. But it sounded just as good.

 

But, in a way I understand H/S...

There is no point in keeping the Xk-1... if you want light, Sk...

If you need the real deal, go with the Xk3c.

 

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Lot's of good points, thanks. It seems like a no-brainer to swap for the XK3c; however there are a few downsides. The carry issue (heavier & larger than XK1), the incompatibility of my Leslie connectors XM-22 & XM-47 (these fit SK1 & XK1 but not XK3c). I like the swap & sell suggestion; buy a lightweight piano to go with the SK-1. I'm a guitarist-playing-organist who got blindsided into playing piano tunes part of the time. I'm too sloppy a' piano player on unweighted keys, can't handle fully weighted keys. Guess I'll look for semi-weights, don't need full 88s. Any suggestions on that?

 

If semi-weighted is what you want, you might go for a Yamaha NP30 or NP31. Advanced midi functionality is not an issue for you, the action is decent (for being semi-weighted), 76 keys is probably all you need (61 would be too few), and they're cheap, particularly if you find a used NP30. Also, since it's got its own sounds, you'd have some backup insurance that you wouldn't have in a pure controller.

 

But I think you should go for weighted. It won't take much work to get build strength for that. Playing piano on unweighted keys isn't satisfying and it will hamper your technique more than you are imagining, and now that there are cheap and lightweight options from Yamaha and Casio, there is no good reason not to go that route.

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