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My visit to GC to try Kronos for 1st time.


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Only Boston GC has Kronos, so I decided to drive in and check it out. I get there and the keyboard dept. is empty except to a dude showing his friend his prowess using the sequencer on Kronos. A simple 8 bar funky groove. So I sit myself down and proceed to wait. After 20 minutes of this I finally ask sales rep if he could intervene. I finally get my chance and only one speaker works so I go to sales desk to ask if they could get other speaker working. The rep decides to show his knowledge and tells me that the one speaker is stereo and it doesn't matter if there are two, since the same sound would come out of both. Then he says it not like a Beatles album where the guitar is on one side, etc. I guess there is no training or minimum IQ needed to sell keyboards. He gets speaker working but it cracks, so I ask for headphones.

 

I just want to talk about acoustic piano since this has been Korg's weakest area. I got to say I wasn't too impressed with the SSD pianos. Maybe, if I played it on 88, weighted action with a sustain pedal (which was missing from demo) I'd feel different. The Rhodes sounds and the combi's were all great. I would of thought the brass would of been better.

 

GC is not stocking their smaller stores with the Kronos cause of it's high price for a 61-note synth. You'd think at least they would make sure the presentation and knowledgeable reps would be the bare minimum. Oh, well I'd never buy it from them anyway and they probably know it.

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You'd think at least they would make sure the presentation and knowledgeable reps would be the bare minimum. Oh, well I'd never buy it from them anyway and they probably know it.

 

With unemployment at 9%, you have to wonder.... Where do they find these people????

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by D-Bon:

 

Headphones: don't go to a music store without them.

 

Yep. Second rule, don't go to GC to demo equipment. Its a waste of your time and the fuel cost to drive there and back.

 

If there were ever any nice comments about GC, I don't remember reading them, anywhere.

 

 

Mike T.

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by D-Bon:

 

Headphones: don't go to a music store without them.

 

Yep. Second rule, don't go to GC to demo equipment. Its a waste of your time and the fuel cost to drive there and back.

 

If there were ever any nice comments about GC, I don't remember reading them, anywhere.

 

 

Mike T.

 

Here is one... A long time ago the manager at the local GC in So Cal would give me unbelievable deals so that I would not go online to buy. Those days are over...

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Yep. Second rule, don't go to GC to demo equipment. Its a waste of your time and the fuel cost to drive there and back.

Well, I walk there (there's one 15 minutes from me), and if I want peace and quiet while demoing something, I go when it opens. I understand that these are ideal conditions, but it is possible to go there and leave without hating humanity.

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I wasn't too impressed with the SSD pianos. Maybe, if I played it on 88, weighted action with a sustain pedal (which was missing from demo) I'd feel different.

 

I've now done several gigs on mine with and without a weighted 88 to control it with, and yeah, the difference is huge. At first I thought playing it from the Kronos keyboard was not too bad, but the more I've done it, the more I've missed the 88.

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but it is possible to go there and leave without hating humanity.

 

:D

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

Mike T.

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I wasn't too impressed with the SSD pianos. Maybe, if I played it on 88, weighted action with a sustain pedal (which was missing from demo) I'd feel different.

 

listen with headphones again because kronos pianos are very good,

first time comparable with yamahas. Weighted or no.

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He gets speaker working but it cracks, so I ask for headphones.
I hope next time will be better. I'm assuming it has sympathetic vibrations? Hey I tried the V-piano and wasn't blown away. That had some reference monitors directed right at me. I didn't like the Ivory-feel keys; they felt rough. I thought the action was better than the 700NX; less bottom-out. Earlier in the day I jammed with my FP4 and am still impressed (:

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If there were ever any nice comments about GC, I don't remember reading them, anywhere.
Actually the GC here in Durham isn't half bad, if you can stand the noise. The folks were helpful and tended not to BS and responded reasonably to requests for help.

 

... er, except for the last time I was there just last week. I happened to mention my '65 Jazzmaster, wondering if it would fit in any Strat case. The guy said yes, they're the same size. I'll have to check, because the next thing he said was "So does yours have the P90's?" I musta looked at him like he was from Mars. No, and I've never seen a stock Fender come with Gibson pickups. He says "Oh, they're not just for Gibsons!"

 

:facepalm:

 

Maybe this is the wrong forum for that ... it's like wondering if an Arp comes with Moog filters. :laugh:

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Actually, I've heard of this before, learjeff. Both Curtis Novak and Lollar make P90s that fit into Jazzmaster PU covers - so no add'l routing needed and it improves midrange, or at least so I've heard.

 

Maybe not what the guy was referring to, but, well, just to confuse the issue.

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by learjeff:

 

Maybe this is the wrong forum for that ... it's like wondering if an Arp comes with Moog filters. laugh

 

Yeah, that reminds me of that age old argument about which model Arp Odyssey came with the "Moog Step-ladder filter". :cry: For the record, it was NOT my Arp Odyssey pictured on the left! :rolleyes:

 

 

Mike T.

 

 

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Bit OT, but once when I was 19 I was in a music store checking out synths I couldn't afford and the salesperson asked me what boards I had and I said "a DX7" he then replied to me "cool, great analogue sounds" I looked back at him dumbfounded and thought "hmmm". That sort of set the standard I expect from some of the larger retailers.
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I tried out a Kronos this past Saturday at a Guitar Center. I thought it sounded much better than my Triton Extreme. Even the solo/lead sounds were a notch better. There was no stepping in the glide effect like there is on the Triton. Most every sound that I played on it sounded better than my Triton.
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Bit OT, but once when I was 19 I was in a music store checking out synths I couldn't afford and the salesperson asked me what boards I had and I said "a DX7" he then replied to me "cool, great analogue sounds" I looked back at him dumbfounded and thought "hmmm". That sort of set the standard I expect from some of the larger retailers.

 

hee hee...made me laugh on that Leh173..being a Sydney sider, I can picture which ones..painfully I can imagine which Sydney stores [assuming you lived in Sydney then too]...

 

what makes me cry is when I was about that age late 70's early 80's , in Sydney were a lot of keyboard / synth shops, which as the decades went so did they...there are still some of the big name synth shops such as Hutchings but few others,Bava's, Sound Devices [sister to guitar factory], Turramurra few that remain. none left out west.

 

i wish now we could get misguided advice like that as it is few and far between to find a shop selling keyboards other than boomchikkas] but it certainly reminded me there was a time when synths were freely available in any part of sydney not just the now difficult places to get to.

 

Maybe it will be hard to find a kronos in all but maybe one sydney location???? maybe the ones mentioned above but expensive keyboards may be risky to most music shops here.

 

I for one will not travel into town anymore for keyboards...

 

i think musicians all over the world find locating synths for demos a difficult job...no?

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LOL. Yeah it was in Brashes in the city circa 1992. I was lusting after a Roland JD-800. He probably tried to sell me an M1...

 

Yeah I find it hard to get to a place that stocks all the boards I'd like to try... It always involves a bit of trip. I think Turramurra have a Kronos...

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I used to hang out in a synthesizer shop in Cincinnati in the early 80s. I don't remember what it was called now, but it was up by UC.

 

In stock at the time: MemoryMoog, E-MU modular, Buchla 200, Korg PS3300, many others I can't remember...

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LOL. Yeah it was in Brashes in the city circa 1992. I was lusting after a Roland JD-800. He probably tried to sell me an M1...

 

Yeah I find it hard to get to a place that stocks all the boards I'd like to try... It always involves a bit of trip. I think Turramurra have a Kronos...

 

yea and brashes used to be another company [or took over in sydney another big company name eludes me but i used to go there as my dad remembers it from his earlier days.] that went back a long way..i remember when brashes had a sale and i went the night before to wait in line to get a keyboard ...what happened to all those giant sales where people lined up over night...

 

turramurra is good as they have [still?] or had Mark who originally worked at the small guitar shop in Coogee [called Sun something/ my memory is failing.] he had a room out back packed with keyboards

 

i reckon Bavas could handle this too.

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Yeah back then they had everything!

 

Cool. Thanks for that info. I might duck up there soon, as they have a Kronos and are doing a launch night for the Jupiter-80, both boards I'm interested in. The website says they also stock all the other stuff. I've never been there.

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if you are talking about Bavas..that is a great shop

 

Nick [owner] is a great player and very astute seller...he will push you but he's a good bloke...make sure you work hard at bargaining because he will work hard on his side to get a sale..but its such fun.

 

he knows his product and he knows how to sell...been a while since i bought there [as now I mostly buy collectable s/hand items ] but I have bought big ticket items off him for good prices..so dont be put off if he seems pushy, just push back to get a great deal..I like nick. and always liked his shop because he would bring in european stuff you wont find elsewhere.

 

Or if its Turramurra also a great shop...good gear, more mainstream synth stuff and big ticket synths, again have bought a lot of synths from them over years, and what i like they used to get trade ins and secondhand gear which is hard to find in shops now. if mark still works there he is also a good guy, different style more laidback..like both of them though they are two different style of sellers

 

Either shop I consider good keyboard shops. But I am talking of experience back a bit...havent been to either for a few years as i am into vintage stuff at moment. but should be no different as these two shops have been around a long time..

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I was actually meaning Brashs when i said "back then they had everything". Not sure if I've been to bavas ever. Never been to turra, so thanks for that advice. I've been insoftware land for years, so it's taken me a while to research up hardware, while deciding whether I keep going with software live, which I'm not going to do now, unless I have time to setup. The only keyboards that have great action/MIDI control and USB audio i/o are the top of line ones! LOL. :blush:
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Yea sorry my mistake..

 

but I think Brashes are now Allans arent they... think that happened 10 years ago...as I bought a bunch of stuff at their warehouse sale] Was in town a few weeks ago was going to try and find them but they were i think in diff location. well didnt see them . I would associate Allans /Brashes more with high street sellers like America's Guitar Center where they may employ music salesman rather than synth crazies.]

 

I think do a search for Allans as I'm sure it was Allans who bought Brashes out???? Last time I visited Allans they were cool on keyboards in stock...but they can suffer from the non synth salesman types whereas the other shops often have owners who run it.ie..they know their product..

 

A good one to see if you are located in town is Hutchings [located at Edgecliff i think its called ]

 

this is possibly the oldest keyboard establishment in sydney..Greg is cool and a synth guy, knows his stuff and is a vintage keyboard repairer expert as well..he always had the top end stuff, the truely special keyboards..bought my first two pianos and synths there..would go in every month if i didnt live so far out of town.

 

he will have stuff like kurzweils and chromas and cool stuff.[think he is a world respected Chroma dude] was in there last year and he was remodelling the shop..[big job, and I bought storage shelving off him of all things]...if you have transport to there worth giving him a ring too [public transport may be difficult?]...not sure if he would stock what your after but he is the original hitech sydney synth dude... definately worth checking him out ..i bought my Korg Trident from him...1980's top line korg..sort of the kronos of the 80's..[ie..top of the line, not abilities]

 

dont forget in city..Sound Devices..I knew these guys back in guitar Factory in parramatta [guitar factory is still around and they may be able to get stuff from sound devices as i guess they are still part of a team?] .they are great synth guys...

 

this about ends those I know still going...that I know are synth guys that always try to carry pro gear...hope these may be some others you might not know about.

 

cheers

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thanks dude, yeah you've covered all the ones I know about. Bought stuff from some of these stores before. Main trick for me is getting one with parking that's open on the weekend. The old school guys tend to have the better advice/prices.
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The rep decides to show his knowledge and tells me that the one speaker is stereo and it doesn't matter if there are two, since the same sound would come out of both.

Wow ... that's just ... wow.

 

I'm a mono guy, but I get the desire for stereo, especially in a workstation that will likely be used for recording purposes. Does the guy know nothing of stereo-sampled pianos, auto-panning, Leslie sims, or stereo-panned synth effects?

 

I've sold keyboards in retail before, and product knowledge is 9/10ths of any technology sale. You can use high-pressure sales techniques all you want with a customer (or use rote step-by-step techniques), but if you don't have a clue about the hardware -- or worse yet, make sh*t up because you're too afraid to say "I don't know; let me check" or "you're right, let me fix that" -- you don't get the sale.

 

The small one near me ... man, the things I've heard come from their mouths. Including (recently), "no, there's no warranty included, but you can buy our service plan for so-and-so ..." :facepalm:

 

With unemployment at 9%, you have to wonder.... Where do they find these people????

From what I gather, the pay at GC is fairly atrocious unless you're shoving thousands of dollars out the door per hour. I'm sure there's a GC or two out there with keyboard specialists that know what they're talking about, and they're probably in the higher volume stores; but if you're working for a low-volume store, you're not making anything but a couple hundred a week base salary -- a pay scale not commensurate with the skills and knowledge needed to sell keyboards professionally. Thus, the qualified don't work there. (I sure wouldn't.)

 

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