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Which of the two is more different than the DSI sound?


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I want to add a monosynth to my setup, for better basses\low end then what i have now.

I'm working with cubase 5, a bunch of great vst's and my PolyEvolver.

While all of those give me great versatility and options, i still feel i lack some really good low end, and a more distinct analog timbre.

 

There are numerous threads about Oberheim SEM vs Moog Phatty. I know all the pros and cons, differences in features etc.

What i'm trying to find out - since i have the PolyEvolver which gives me the DSI flavour - is which of the two is more different in timbre and sound to the dsi, and which is closer.

I've listened to demos and i got a bit confused. There are certain settings on the phatty and SEM that sometimes remind me of sounds i can accomplish on the PEK. Beyond that - each of the two can go in different directions, of course. I'm wondering about the basic osc + filter+ some eg on each, and which of the two can really give me something considerably different in flavour than the dsi.

 

As for complexity - i don't mind too much, because: 1) I want to use it mainly for bass sound (maybe a lead here and there). 2) I'll probably get a moog MP-201 that can give me 4 extra lfo's and midi sync - or the cp-251. Both can turn each of the synths to more versatile machines. 3) The PEK and vst's like reaktor give me all the complexity i can ask for, with lots of lfo's, eg's, extensive modulation routings etc.

 

So it comes down to which of the two has a better low end - and which is more different than the dsi sound.

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Moog. Hands down. The newer crop of DSIs seem thin to me. The Oberheims are bold, but I haven't heard the new SEM. The Phatty is, well, fat. My bass player is using an LP through an Ampeg SVT 4-10 cabinet and it is absolutely earth shaking. Very inspiring to play.

The OP-X plug is cheap enough...you may want to experiment with it before making a commitment.

 

Strictly my own opinion.

 

 

 

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The DSI stuff is probably not as phat as old synths but to be honest I think some of the patches I've programmed myself on the PolyEvolver are damn close to the Oberheim 4 voice sounds from Zawinul or the Arp ProSoloist sounds... The DSI stuff is quite similar to the Oberheim Matrix 12 I have in some ways too... though perhaps a tad thinner like said due to the DCOs rather than VCOs...

 

Its a mistake to write off DSI based on the general character of the presets (as I have done in the past) because its all about rolling your own. The main problem I have is the terrible encoders... :(

 

More to the OPs original point, I don't think the DSI stuff is particularly Moogy sounding... which to me is a good thing as I have a Voyager and Minimoog here anyway.. :D

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Another option to consider is a sort of combination. This guy here is using a sem pro combined with a moog mf-101 (24db moog filter) to get the best of both worlds. If he wants - this system can sound like an oberheim - or more moogish like so . And i believe that this moogerfooger isn't too expensive.
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Depends on what you want to pay. The Moog LP is good but the Moog Voyager is even better... Do you want a rack or board?

 

If Rack then you could opt for a Slim Phatty or Voyager RME.

 

Still though--I wouldn't give up on the PEK just yet. I suggest rolling up your sleeves and really start programming that baby--you can get some really Phat sounds from it. Perhaps Phat enough for your tastes...

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I don't need an extra keyboard. This is strictly in a home studio context.

The voyager rme is very well out of my $$ range at the moment. It costs 3 times the price of a slim phatty, and about twice the price of a pro sem.

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Hmm. OK. Sorry I "Assumed".

 

:)

 

Nothing to be sorry about.

 

Btw, i experienced last night with the PEK's delay to create various flavours of chorus. That - plus other "tricks", can really thicken the sound.

But even so - i think the basic DCO plus the filter - isn't the phattest around...

 

And vice versa - some of the phattest synths aren't as versatile and inpiring as the PEK.

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I'd love to have the RME, but it's out of my price range. Most of my money right now is for upgrading the nord stage to the Kronos. And if moog - than i guess the phatty is better than nothing...
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