for cryin out loud!! stop

[Guitarzan]

why is it that every tone dink on You Tube thinks that to show the sound of a set of pickups requires massive amounts of reverb?

 

why do they show how fast you can shred in order to demo the sweet tone of the pickups? ( while cranking the gain)

 

can anyone play guitar without the damn reverb?

can anyone play without max gain?

 

why do you need to talk for 3 minutes and then play for 30 seconds? ( try putting the info in writing so i can check it out after your reverb drenched solo?)

 

i would like to hear how the pickups sound with rhythm guitar as well as the shred fest. actually i get a better idea of the tone that way, is the bottom farty? are the mids lacking?

i can't hear that if all you do is frikin shred with reverb!!!

 

i think that in order to be allowed to play with that much 'verb you should have one shoved up your rear end to qualify.

allow me...

 

rant off

[desertbluesman]

Good one Guitarzan, however I do like a little touch of reverb when I play, but it is unnecessary when demoing anything but a reverb unit.

 

I agree show us the sound of the demoed item, not your playing skill or effects rack.

[Winston Psmith]

 

can anyone play guitar without the damn reverb?

can anyone play without max gain?

 

No, because then we would actually be able to hear them . . .

[dvuksanovich]

Come on 'zan... tell us how you REALLY feel.

 

[Guitarzan]

i was trying to get a good demo of a DiMarzio evolution bucker and got tired of the verb drenched demos. i am ok now.

[Caevan O'Shite]

HELL, yeah!

 

why is it that every tone dink on You Tube thinks that to show the sound of a set of pickups requires massive amounts of reverb?

 

'Cause they're all wet.

 

why do they show how fast you can shred in order to demo the sweet tone of the pickups? ( while cranking the gain)

 

'Cause they don't KNOW what love is.

 

can anyone play guitar without the damn reverb?

can anyone play without max gain?

 

Nope.

 

Nuh-uh.

 

why do you need to talk for 3 minutes and then play for 30 seconds? ( try putting the info in writing so i can check it out after your reverb drenched solo?)

 

'Cause while talk is cheap, they read that one note can be worth a hundred. Nobody's coughed up a Benjamin for any one note of 'em yet, though, let alone a whole string of 'em.

 

i would like to hear how the pickups sound with rhythm guitar as well as the shred fest. actually i get a better idea of the tone that way, is the bottom farty? are the mids lacking?

 

Tough. Too bad. Get used to being disappointed by mediocre internet shills. You're watching Them on YouTube; They're not watching You on ThemTube.

 

Yes, it is very farty.

 

Yhup, lack lack lackin' on heaven's dooorr... and in the Mid-Range, too. (That's why they just can't stop messin' with the Danger Zone.)

 

i can't hear that if all you do is frikin shred with reverb!!!

 

But listen to that b!+c4!n' huge goth cathedral reverb billowing around those wicked rock-god licks! What else do you need to hear? Anything else would be distracting from all that raw distilled ROCKIN'.

 

i think that in order to be allowed to play with that much 'verb you should have one shoved up your rear end to qualify.

allow me...

 

They're gonna want that every night...

 

rant off

 

You think so, but they'll be back again for more tomorrow night, all drippin' wet with reverb; they'll be back for more, I reck'n, mmhm-hghmgn...

[Guitarzan]

LMAO

 

if they want it every night i will use a real Fender tube reverb

[Caevan O'Shite]

LMAO

 

if they want it every night i will use a real Fender tube reverb

 

Naaa, water tank with a mic innit. And twice as far with a Hershey Bar.

[Lokair]

Why would you post how good a anything is on U tube, its compression only leaves me asking why. And most if not all are recorded on a camcorder mic that is nothing short of pathetic. I once modded my cheap camcorder to accept an 1/8" mic input and shut off the internal mic, great improvement but still sounded like it was recorded on a camcorder. Even pro level recorded stuff moved to U tube sounds poor.

 

I think a high end sound wave or even MP3 would be more accurate for tone evaluation.

 

Lok

[marvar]

And while we are at it-

Why can't I go into Guitar Center and pick up just one guitar that isn't in dropped D? and just one amp where the gain isn't maxed out?

[GuitarPlayerFL]

why do you need to talk for 3 minutes and then play for 30 seconds?

 

Because people are attention whores.

 

My big beef is someone trying to show how an amp sounds and then runs dirt boxes in front of them.

 

I want to know how the amp sound cranked by itself. I can run a dirt box in front of any amp.

[GreySeraph]

'Cause they don't KNOW what love is.

 

Mick Jones of Foreigner wants to know what love is. You should show him.

[Caevan O'Shite]

'Cause they don't KNOW what love is.

 

Mick Jones of Foreigner wants to know what love is. You should show him.

 

Oooh, too funny! A real razz, yer breakin' mah b@llz, but too funny! "LOL"!

[Eric Iverson]

It's because of "group think" - the tendency for people to follow the current trends.

No, I'm not immune either. But it's good to think for yourself at least ONCE in a while, ain't it? LOL

 

And no, it's not new. I remember hearing bad Eddie Van Halen clones in every music store I visited, and before that, bad Clapton and Hendrix clones. And Wes and Chet clones before that.....

[GreySeraph]

'Cause they don't KNOW what love is.

 

Mick Jones of Foreigner wants to know what love is. You should show him.

 

Oooh, too funny! A real razz, yer breakin' mah b@llz, but too funny! "LOL"!

 

!

 

I wonder how many people got it...

[Winston Psmith]

More than bought the single . . .

[Lokair]

here's a site that does not do the utube thing and note the low amount of effects to show how the pickups sound

 

http://www.rockfieldpickups.com/index.html

 

I put a set of select wound vintage in a 87 flying v(maple neck rosewood fretboard and i think alder body) I did it with coil taps for both pickups. They sound Great think seventies to eighties rock to metal. They are a great pick up company, with atleast one happy customer.

 

Lok

[skipclone 1]

Sorry to cut and paste but I ran across this some time ago.

Something to keep in mind about hearing pickups:

 

 

Tone Controls

Magnetic guitar pickups are inductive, and require compensation, although this opportunity is also used for tone enhancement, not just correction. Without compensation, they have a strong low middle emphasis and little high frequency response - overall a very muddy and muffled sound. This is why typical hi-fi Baxandall treble & bass controls are unsuitable.

 

To hear the natural sound of a pickup, use a typical guitar amp with the middle set to full, and bass and treble on zero. This is actually sets a flat response in the amp (see below), and I expect you will hear a muffled and muddy sound. And that's the whole point of these tone controls providing compensation for the natural sound of a pickup - the middle control simply boosts the pickup's normal middley sound. The treble and bass controls do the opposite - they boost higher and lower frequency levels, leaving a notch in-between for middle cut (see the Fender/Marshall comparison below). So with typical settings of a bit of bass, middle and treble, the overall tone equalisation complements the natural pickup sound for a balanced response of lows, mids and highs.

 

 

Full middle boost with no bass or treble actually gives a near-flat frequency response, allowing you to hear the natural sound of your pickups.

 

Here are circuit diagrams of typical Fender and Marshall tone controls. They both meet the criteria of compensating for pickups' low-middle emphasis, as well as providing a useful range of tone adjustment.

 

 

 

The Fender and Marshall circuits are each tailored to suit their own styles, which are quite different. Although a generalisation, Fender's market and power output stage are geared towards provided clean and chunky tones at clean and early-overdrive levels. Marshall amps are best at low-middle and crunchy rock tones, played at medium to high overdrive levels.

 

 

[TuskBuffer]

And while we are at it-

Why can't I go into Guitar Center and pick up just one guitar that isn't in dropped D? and just one amp where the gain isn't maxed out?

I think we should revolt and all walk into the local music store, pick out a guitar and amp, tune the guitar to standard and set the amp to clean and mellow, sit down and play..."Stairway." We may never be allowed in that store again, but at least our voice will have been heard!

[Guitarzan]

here's a site that does not do the utube thing and note the low amount of effects to show how the pickups sound

 

http://www.rockfieldpickups.com/index.html

 

I put a set of select wound vintage in a 87 flying v(maple neck rosewood fretboard and i think alder body) I did it with coil taps for both pickups. They sound Great think seventies to eighties rock to metal. They are a great pick up company, with atleast one happy customer.

 

Lok

 

good site , and i heard good things about Rockfield.

but i am after more specific pickup tests involving basswood as the body wood. i have a 1990 Ibanez RG 560 and a pickup is not going to sound the same in an LP and an RG. that is why i need to torture myself with youtube.

[Caevan O'Shite]

FWIW, I'd like to point out that on MOST guitar amps, the treble, middle and bass controls only attenuate frequencies; they do NOT "boost" anything, unless they are specifically active-EQ circuit designs made for both boost AND cut.

 

Sorry to cut and paste but I ran across this some time ago.

Something to keep in mind about hearing pickups:

 

 

Tone Controls

Magnetic guitar pickups are inductive, and require compensation, although this opportunity is also used for tone enhancement, not just correction. Without compensation, they have a strong low middle emphasis and little high frequency response - overall a very muddy and muffled sound. This is why typical hi-fi Baxandall treble & bass controls are unsuitable.

 

To hear the natural sound of a pickup, use a typical guitar amp with the middle set to full, and bass and treble on zero. This is actually sets a flat response in the amp (see below), and I expect you will hear a muffled and muddy sound. And that's the whole point of these tone controls providing compensation for the natural sound of a pickup - the middle control simply boosts the pickup's normal middley sound. The treble and bass controls do the opposite - they boost higher and lower frequency levels, leaving a notch in-between for middle cut (see the Fender/Marshall comparison below). So with typical settings of a bit of bass, middle and treble, the overall tone equalisation complements the natural pickup sound for a balanced response of lows, mids and highs.

 

 

Full middle boost with no bass or treble actually gives a near-flat frequency response, allowing you to hear the natural sound of your pickups.

 

Here are circuit diagrams of typical Fender and Marshall tone controls. They both meet the criteria of compensating for pickups' low-middle emphasis, as well as providing a useful range of tone adjustment.

 

 

 

The Fender and Marshall circuits are each tailored to suit their own styles, which are quite different. Although a generalisation, Fender's market and power output stage are geared towards provided clean and chunky tones at clean and early-overdrive levels. Marshall amps are best at low-middle and crunchy rock tones, played at medium to high overdrive levels.

 

[Griffinator]

LMAO

 

if they want it every night i will use a real Fender tube reverb

 

Screw that, give 'em a full plate verb - as in, the big 4x8 metal plate with the transducers in it.

 

Then, they'll be qualified to drench their guitar in as much reverb as comes out of that orifice....

[whitefang]

Whaaa? People still use reverb? For what? To get that "I'm jammin' in the boys room" sound?

 

Or maybe they read that Ventures thread and are trying to invent the "Suff-shredder" genre.

 

At any rate, if I were searching for equipment or playing tutorials on the web, YouTube wouldn't even enter my mind.

Whitefang

[d halfnote]

Simple answer: b/c many folks are dumb.

 

I'm just glad you got it off yer chest before goin' postal.

[Guitarzan]

i am dumb and i don't use verb.

[pinkjimiphoton]

i do like a little reverb...it's from being a "child of the 60's" i guess...

 

but shredding?

 

it's lame, lame, and not only that, it's LAME.

 

99% of the "shredders" out there CAN'T PLAY MUSIC.

 

if ya slow it down, and it sounds like shit, (like most of it does) is it still valid? can you get away with chromatic passing tones below 3000 bpm and not sound like the suck knob is broken on?

 

i can play fast, and do, on occaision...

 

depending on mood, time of the month, cycle of the moon or the need for it.

 

but this high speed wanking shit is soooooooooooo over rated.

 

after these guys repeat every note on the guitar for the 59th time in each solo, what else is there to do?

 

i'll take bonamossa over van halen any day of the week.

 

gimme tone, not wank

 

rant ended (for now)

[Scott Fraser]

i do like a little reverb...it's from being a "child of the 60's" i guess...

but shredding?

it's lame, lame, and not only that, it's LAME.

99% of the "shredders" out there CAN'T PLAY MUSIC.

if ya slow it down, and it sounds like shit, (like most of it does) is it still valid? can you get away with chromatic passing tones below 3000 bpm and not sound like the suck knob is broken on?

but this high speed wanking shit is soooooooooooo over rated.

after these guys repeat every note on the guitar for the 59th time in each solo, what else is there to do?

i'll take bonamossa over van halen any day of the week.

gimme tone, not wank

 

I think the real point that Pink Jimi is overlooking here is that shredding is LAME.

The problem with technique for its own sake is that it utterly lacks drama. Timing, spacing, balance, subtlety, tension & release, accumulation & dissipation, light & dark, dynamic contrast...all these are elements of fine guitar soloing, all of which are absent from Yngie-esque shredding.

Reverb is very cool, in the right amount.

[pinkjimiphoton]

right on scott. i am so un-impressed with "shredding" that i don't support it at all.

 

it's like, wham, bambambam x 1,0000,000,000,0000,0000 to the zillionth power...thank you ma'am, now i need a half hour off to recover.

 

i'm no "blues snob" either...it's just what learned brother scott above says is so on the money.

 

to me...if you can't slow it down and make it sound like music, it plain ain't valid. that that sounds like music, is.

 

that that sounds like badly played 12 tone music at warp speed...

 

is impressing only the other bare-chested boys in the pit.

 

the ugly old smelly guys like me will be on the tourbus, with all the babes.

 

 

 

(as if...lol)

[Terrell]

Playing the same ole' shit, at any speed, reverb level and gain, is lame, lame, lame... LAME!!!

 

When the really old guys beat up on the very old shredders as somehow "more lame" than the 9,000 guys that play Red House and SUCK IT RAW, it sounds like sour grapes...

 

Just sayin'

[skipclone 1]

Well there's nothing wrong with relating one's musical preferences. It's the way to find common ground with folks around here. But ultimately, it's an opinion-now what is anyone supposed to say to that? "In my opinion, having a different opinion than mine reflects poorly on you as a human being"

So that being said, in my opinion, I do like to listen to music to experience heartbreak and redemption, joy and sorrow, comedy and cruelty and confusion-they're called SONGS! when I hear someone step forward to play in a song, that person has anywhere from 15 seconds to two minutes, to take the song to new heights or at least compliment it. So yes, sometimes what I want to hear is mastery of the instrument. Stomping all over an arrangement does not suggest mastery, any more than one-dimensional playing. But I still wonder why it is that guitar, and more specifically rock guitar, has been pasted with this 'wanker' epithet when plenty of other instruments and other genres(oh I have to sneeze-ah..ahhh..JAZZCLASSICALBLUEGRASS) sorry-are just as guilty.