Meisenhower Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Stumbled across these videos. This cat is playing a note for note transcription of one of Herbie's baddest (IMHO) rhodes solos on Sly (over the original track). He doesn't really miss a note and except for a little "timing " issue toward the end of this marathon, it's spot on. Unless there is some gimmick or something going on, the chops are his pretty impressive (well, his imitating Herbie). Don't know how good his own improvisation is, but his imitation is amazing! Makes you wonder if this is for real, but his hands are all doing the right things! He does the Chameleon (2nd half) solo also, spot on and also does some unaccompanied Oscar Peterson too!! Wow! [video:youtube] [video:youtube] [video:youtube] Yamaha C7 Grand, My Hammonds: '57 B3, '54 C2, '42 BC, '40 D, '05 XK3 Pro System, Kawai MP9000, Fender Rhodes Mk I 73, Yamaha CP33, Motif ES6, Nord Electro 2, Minimoog Voyager & Model D, Korg MS10
Outkaster Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah imitation is cool. I wonder how his real chops are though. "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com
retrokeys Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I suspect there is something going on here. On the second track, I hear Clavinet through a wah wah (a fun 70's thing to do) but I don't see consistent leg movemement for the pedal work. The Clavinet did not have "auto wah" like the Nord does.
johnchop Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 C'mon, I think the dude's for real: http://www.myspace.com/tomogrady I make software noises.
ProfD Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Imitation may be a sincere form of flattery and a good way to learn. But, at some point, a musician should strive to be original. I'd much rather hear a musician trying to push music forward by incorporating various elements to come up with something new and fresh instead of wallowing in the past. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy"
longfuse Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Hey, I've spent most of my life wallowing in the past! (it's a good place to hand out) :^) Re the vid, very impressive. Hopefully he can do something original with that foundation.
Dave Ferris Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The kid can play the piano--check the Ravel (Ondine) on his myspace. Now if he can funnel all of this information into his own voice, he'll be happening. I agree longfuse, I'll wallow in the past if it means Bud Powell, Debussy, Chopin, Bill Evans, Bach, Wynton Kelly, etc. over drivel like Usher, Black eyed crap and the other "pop culture" geniuses. https://soundcloud.com/dave-ferris https://www.youtube.com/@daveferris2709 2005 NY Steinway D Yamaha AvantGrand N3X, CP88, P515
burningbusch Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I suspect there is something going on here. On the second track, I hear Clavinet through a wah wah (a fun 70's thing to do) but I don't see consistent leg movemement for the pedal work. The Clavinet did not have "auto wah" like the Nord does. Auto-wah pedals have been around for a LONG time. Busch.
GovernorSilver Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 He just wants to do what Oscar Peterson can do here - demonstrating the styles of several other players (George Shearing, Art Tatum, Nat King Cole, etc.) even though he clearly has his own voice: [video:youtube] When the kid reaches Oscar's age, he can go "See, Herbie would do this... Chick on the other hand... and Keith..."
Josh Paxton Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 [unhelpful snark] So that's what Oscar would sound like if he couldn't swing. [/unhelpful snark] Seriously, the guy's got some ability, is obviously serious about learning, and based on his own comments, he seems aware of what he needs to work on. So good on him for posting his stuff.
CrimsonianKing Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Imitation may be a sincere form of flattery and a good way to learn. But, at some point, a musician should strive to be original. I'd much rather hear a musician trying to push music forward by incorporating various elements to come up with something new and fresh instead of wallowing in the past. +1 You said it! greatest words i've read since i joined this community. Playing others music is indeed a good way to learn different techniques and improve your skill, but if you don't have your own style/choice of tones and sounds and/or can't write, you'll always be in a cover band or be a session musician (which is still better than working at an office, but it's not what i want to do). "The purple piper plays his tune, The choir softly sing; Three lullabies in an ancient tongue, For the court of the crimson king"
realll Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Try humming WHEN THE SAINT'S GO MARCHING IN.... While listening to SHE WAS JUST SEVENTEEN.
yannis D Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The guys has spend a great amount of time practicing and this is not a bad thing. he's got some chops and he should be respected for that. On the other hand we don't really know if he has an original voice, 'cause everything he has recorded is a note-to-note transcription to other people's music. I would be less austere to him, until i was sure that he really only plays those transcriptions and nothing original - but i'm not sure about this. So i stick to my initial opinion. Be grateful for what you've got - a Nord, a laptop and two hands
Theo Verelst Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 It seems to me the guy in the video is serious, and does some hard work. Not my kind of work, and I think the advanced Jazz isn't made by transscribers in general, but hey, who would. To add to the good discussion and maybe make some little things a little clearer about my opinions, I think flattery is probably not THE highest, but pretty good, and safe. I would come to *play* with other musicians, normally, so I'd think optimal more about the example I just recorded for youtube: [video:youtube] Don't forget to switch to HD, much nice sound too. (The Kurzweil sounds are my own and not my point here) Theo Verelst -------------------------------------------------------- "A good man always knows his limitations"
Meisenhower Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 All righty then! Yamaha C7 Grand, My Hammonds: '57 B3, '54 C2, '42 BC, '40 D, '05 XK3 Pro System, Kawai MP9000, Fender Rhodes Mk I 73, Yamaha CP33, Motif ES6, Nord Electro 2, Minimoog Voyager & Model D, Korg MS10
MonksDream Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I think I understand you and your posts a lot better, Theo. Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker
CrimsonianKing Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I think I understand you and your posts a lot better, Theo. I was gonna say that but you were quicker +1000 "The purple piper plays his tune, The choir softly sing; Three lullabies in an ancient tongue, For the court of the crimson king"
Bosendorphen Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 He's still young and imitation of one's inspiring artists is how you get started. He's got the technique to develop and will find his own voice. As for living in the past - geez all this talk getting the perfect B3, clav, Rhodes and acoustic piano sounds on this forum! (Not that there's anything wrong with that! Heh) "The devil take the poets who dare to sing the pleasures of an artist's life." - Gottschalk Soundcloud Aethellis
JeffLearman Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 I'm impressed and wish I could do half as well! Great sounding Rhodes, too -- love to get my hands on that to sample it. The Clavinet did not have "auto wah" like the Nord does. There are stompboxes for that, which is what the Nord is emulating.
GovernorSilver Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 The guys has spend a great amount of time practicing and this is not a bad thing. he's got some chops and he should be respected for that. On the other hand we don't really know if he has an original voice, 'cause everything he has recorded is a note-to-note transcription to other people's music. I would be less austere to him, until i was sure that he really only plays those transcriptions and nothing original - but i'm not sure about this. So i stick to my initial opinion. If you watch the Oscar Peterson video I posted, it should be obvious that he put in a lot of time and effort into studying the masters who went before him (Shearing, Tatum, etc.). The kid is just doing what Oscar P. did. Any serious student of jazz is doing the same kind of work, though not all are documenting it online as publicly as this kid.
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