Tobias Åslund Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'd like to see, besides what you mentioned in the first post, a part about drawbar settings, and then not just fixed typical settings, but how you as an organist "play" the drawbars in real time, during a song. Then the bigger part I'm interested in - organ jazz chord structures. As a trained jazz pianist I have a fair knowledge of basic harmonization - but every now and then I see quotes like "organ voicings are different", "you can't do that on an organ" - but i seldom see examples of how you "should" do voicings on an organ, mostly just "don'ts". "Advanced B3 Technique for the Professional Pianist" Yeah - I guess that sums it up pretty good! Maybe a chapter on what "we pianists" always "do wrong" when playing the organ? Yeah - one more thing - maybe a section of how to do comping other instrumentalist/singers and how to think while "arranging" or building up during a song, typically in slow blues, and jazz ballads, with some good example too, of course. A DVD like this I would be very interested in, and I would gladly pay $40-60 for 90 minutes. Too much stuff, too little time, too few gigs, should spend more time practicing...! 🙄 main instruments: Nord Stage 3 compact, Yamaha CP88, Kurzweil PC4, Viscount KeyB Legend Live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucktronix Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I would definitely buy this DVD when it comes out. My left hand independence is getting better, but I still struggle miserably. I've never really kicked bass before, but always wanted to learn. Kronos 88 Platinum, Yamaha YC88, Subsequent 37, Korg CX3, Hydrasynth 49-key, Nord Electro 5D 73, QSC K8.2, Lester K Me & The Boyz Chris Beard Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zydecat Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Tips and examples on using drawbars expressively, comping styles and voicings, and blues-based licks and tricks would be great. The only instructional DVDs I've purchased are for Cajun accordion - some were great, others not so much, and the price is generally $30 to $40 each. I learn best when the lick or technique is broken down and played slowly, rather than just a slow-mo of a great player in action. You make it, I'll buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 While waiting for Jim's DVD, there is some info on playing "Jazz Organ Bass" here: Jazz Organ Bass There are also some recordings of Jack McDuff and Richard Groove Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Then the bigger part I'm interested in - organ jazz chord structures. As a trained jazz pianist I have a fair knowledge of basic harmonization - but every now and then I see quotes like "organ voicings are different", "you can't do that on an organ" - but i seldom see examples of how you "should" do voicings on an organ, mostly just "don'ts".IMO, a lot of this kind of stuff IS opinion. Many organists avoid things like minor seconds or anything too clustery. Personally, I like the rub. I think there are drawbar combos that do not lend themselves to a lot of rub, but a lot of them do, so I'll play clusters and they sound just fine.... A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm thinking a 90 minute DVD for $30. Seem fair? What we record in life, echoes in eternity. MOXF8, Electro 6D, XK1c, Motif XSr, PEKPER, Voyager, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I always felt the biggest difference between piano and organ is the hand approaches, especially the right hand (ignoring the feet). Not sure how to describe it. As a piano player something we strive for in Jazz is to be able to play the in-between notes using tension. We can't bend notes like guitar and horn players. Hammond guys try to do the same thing but they have to approach it differently. This might honk off the real organ players but to me I describe it as using a "sloppy" playing techniques to try to play between the keys. I think Mr. Kanker is right but I am a piano player regarding the use of voicings. I like a lot of jazz "piano" voicings done on Hammond but I can't be pulling out all the stops because just I have too many overtones going on and everything gets all washed out. I keep the drawbars settings lighter and I resist pulling out the bottom fundementals. There is a whole lot more to organ 888800000, 888000000 and 888888888. When I play Nardis on Hammond I pretty much use the Bill Evans' piano voicings. A lot of guys need to learn to keep 16' shoved in to 0. None of that probably made sense. It is easier to just do it. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Benhamou Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Whatever you end up covering in your DVD, make sure you give a few examples of practice exercises to put your techniques into good use. Too often instrucitonal books/DVD's are filled with a bunch of theory with no practical examples of exercise drills you could use to fully absorb the technique. I'd pay $60 maybe even $75 an hour for private lessons with you, but a DVD isn't a private lesson. So that pay scale doesn't apply. I'd wouldn't sell the DVD for more than $30 if I were you. Ian Benhamou Keyboards/Guitar/Vocals [url:https://www.facebook.com/OfficialTheMusicalBox/]The Musical Box[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue northern Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 How to play in a smooth legato style. Maybe some techniques around the circle of fifths to help attain that style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorgatron Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 My plan is to cover three levels (beginner, intermediate, professional) are you talking about doing 90 minutes that covers all 3 (30 minutes apiece) or 3 different DVDs @ 90 minutes each? I would happily plunk down $30 (and for each subsequent DVD) for a 90 minute beginner DVD. all the lessons I've had so far were piano oriented,but I'd rather be an organist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B3_borne Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I bought both of Tony M and Brian A's DVD and they sucked IMHO. They are both going at lighting speed that you can't get anything out of it other than to listen to them wank way ... Hmmm.. I have the Brian Auger DVD as well and I also find it....fair.. at best. Re: Tony Monaco--are you referring to his new instructional blues dvd? If so I am bummed, having just ordered it. Steve ... it was Tony's 5 DVD Jazz set ... I think I got a discount of $40 per DVD. I was very diappointed in the content. Tony didn't slow anything down so you could see what he was doing and unless you have B3ers chops there was no way to gleem any info off it ... and he's explaination of what he was doing was weak or glossed over and then he'd wank away playing a song. It was kind a like go to one of his shows and watching him play ... SK2 /w Mini Vent / XK3 Pro System /w 142 Leslie, Roland D70, Korg SP250 B3 1959 (retired) , Porta B (retired), XB2 (retired) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B3_borne Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Jim ... one of the better instructional web sites DVD's, midi files using "follow me" or another midi program ... is Lot2learn.com ... I think he's a forum member. Problem is it's for piano He have a lot of content in his lessons as well as midi files that you can use follow me to see what note he's using for gliss notes ... which to me is very helpful and backing tracks so you can play along once you have gleamed the info off the song. Just a thought SK2 /w Mini Vent / XK3 Pro System /w 142 Leslie, Roland D70, Korg SP250 B3 1959 (retired) , Porta B (retired), XB2 (retired) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 All these ideas are great, thank you! But they are a bit outside the realm of Hammond bass playing. Perhaps they should be in another video on comping, chord voicings, drawbar registrations, Leslie switching, etc. (ie, what to do with your right hand now that you're left hand is over there running basslines.) Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave E Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 How 'bout a companion book with all of the examples notated? If you played the stuff on your clone and recorded MIDI as well as audio, it wouldn't be difficult to create.... I'd help you out. That would put you MILES ahead of the competition, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 the outline on your first post sounds perfect. Whatever you want to charge, I'll pay. I have not gotten a bad CD from you yet! I want to start learning pedal technique to justify adding them to my XKsystem "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDP Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I have not read all posts so apologies if this is redundant. I would like to see a comprehensive database of Hammond and Leslie models (w/ pictures), dates of manufacture, synopsis of model features and purposes, and a cross-referenced, searchable, date-sensitive serial number feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I want to start learning pedal technique to justify adding them to my XKsystem You have this backwards. You buy the pedals to justify learning pedal technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 In my accounting system at home we have to justify the purchase first. The DVD is just the thing for the sales job. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percussion boy Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 I don't play with my knees together, btw. Never heard of that; is that a classical thing? Classical players are traditionally trained to play with their knees together to protect their virginity. Sorry to digress but it seemed like an important question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Classical players are traditionally trained to play with their knees together to protect their virginity. They don't have to protect it... they're classical players. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 that's why I always had a hankerin' for girl cellists. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Åslund Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 All these ideas are great, thank you! But they are a bit outside the realm of Hammond bass playing. Perhaps they should be in another video on comping, chord voicings, drawbar registrations, Leslie switching, etc. (ie, what to do with your right hand now that you're left hand is over there running basslines.) Sorry, I missed the point that it was going to be a Hammond bass DVD... my bad! Too much stuff, too little time, too few gigs, should spend more time practicing...! 🙄 main instruments: Nord Stage 3 compact, Yamaha CP88, Kurzweil PC4, Viscount KeyB Legend Live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I have not read all posts so apologies if this is redundant. I would like to see a comprehensive database of Hammond and Leslie models (w/ pictures), dates of manufacture, synopsis of model features and purposes, and a cross-referenced, searchable, date-sensitive serial number feature. This one is ok. Has not been updated in awhile: http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/hammonds-n-leslies.html "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 How 'bout a companion book with all of the examples notated? If you played the stuff on your clone and recorded MIDI as well as audio, it wouldn't be difficult to create.... I'd help you out. That would put you MILES ahead of the competition, IMO. That´s the best idea IMO and could be realized w/ todays DAW hosts like Cubase. MIDI files would be great to listen to example tracks at any tempo w/ a software organ in a VSTi track and notation printed from the MIDI editor in PDF format would help a lot. In the video itself, all examples could be in realtime then. I doubt, the bass pedal stuff would be very important, I think it´s 2nd row because most potential buyers play single manual clones offering LH bass split and only a minority kicks bass. Even these aren´t "beginners" musical wise, many use the organ in a combination key-rig like piano & organ or rompler,organ & synths, some play in standing position. Left hand/bass pedal combination IS interesting, but for the dedicated organ player and a matter of a separate DVD volume I´d call "advanced". A.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyyd Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Jim Add me as a likely customer. What I would like included would be some excercises, such as scales and modes or hanon exercises for lh and foot bass. Doesn't have to be extensive, but some corect "fingerings" (footings?) for these excercises would be valuable to me. Davyyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Force Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 How 'bout a companion book with all of the examples notated? If you played the stuff on your clone and recorded MIDI as well as audio, it wouldn't be difficult to create.... I'd help you out. That would put you MILES ahead of the competition, IMO. That´s the best idea IMO and could be realized w/ todays DAW hosts like Cubase. MIDI files would be great to listen to example tracks at any tempo w/ a software organ in a VSTi track and notation printed from the MIDI editor in PDF format would help a lot. In the video itself, all examples could be in realtime then. I doubt, the bass pedal stuff would be very important, I think it´s 2nd row because most potential buyers play single manual clones offering LH bass split and only a minority kicks bass. Even these aren´t "beginners" musical wise, many use the organ in a combination key-rig like piano & organ or rompler,organ & synths, some play in standing position. Left hand/bass pedal combination IS interesting, but for the dedicated organ player and a matter of a separate DVD volume I´d call "advanced". A.C. I respectfully disagree with not including pedals in this instructional video. Even if one isn't using pedals it is helpful in understanding bass fundamentals and also with working with a bassist. My 2 cents. Steve Force, Durham, North Carolina -------- My Professional Websites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahZark Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 "Advanced B3 Technique for the Professional Pianist" I think ^^^^THIS^^^^ could be a big seller! It's absolutely what I need, and I suspect the same applies to many pianists who now find themselves in need of organ technique. Also, for pricing, I recommend that you check what other similar products are selling for (some of them from big-name guys). Many of us here will buy your DVD because we know you from the Forum and respect the hell out of your playing, but if you want to sell the DVD more broadly, I think you'll need to price competitively with the others (and that probably means cheaper compared to the guys with the big names). I look forward to the finished product. Noah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahZark Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 All these ideas are great, thank you! But they are a bit outside the realm of Hammond bass playing. Perhaps they should be in another video on comping, chord voicings, drawbar registrations, Leslie switching, etc. (ie, what to do with your right hand now that you're left hand is over there running basslines.) What these posts may be telling you is that the market wants something broader than a DVD focused only on Hammond bass playing. If this DVD is a commercial exercise for you rather than an artistic one, my humble suggestion is listen to the market. Noah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwhite9 Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 Tony Monaco and Joey D released a CD with all the midi files and some instructional stuff. http://www.b3monaco.com/masterclass3.htm It's their 'A New Generation - Paesanos On the New B3' CD but the CD-ROM is only available through Tony Monaco and its hidden at his website (see the above link). Getting a good notation system that can handle that blizzard of notes is another thing. It's not so much instructional as it is 'find some riffs you like on the CD and here's the midi transcription'. Eddie Landsberg has an instructional VHS -- the 7 secrets players should know. That was not bad. In one example He tried to keep it simple by combining the major and minor pentatonic blues and gospel to get some I IV V variations. Handles it about a slickly in 10 minutes as someone can, I think, as so many others drag on and on explaining the pentatonic scales. He compresses the REO 'Roll with Changes' and Steely Dan's 'Pretzel Logic' types of changes and some classic gospel all from the root position with the pinky on the root shuffling between the root, 4th 7th, etc. To put it another way: I'd prefer whatever content you put together is thought of as 'these are 7 "Money Changes" or scaffoldings on which you can hang all sorts of stuff'. Something like 7 jazz/blues turnarounds or 7 jazz substitutions --that approach always work. Here's a little Landsberg clip. I think it captures the type of thing I'm talking about. This could be finessed into a perfect 2 minute instructional track with the midi and then broken down into 7 must have techniques on lead, bass, substitutions, and embellishments to get that scaffolding for reuse and comping. Very tight, very focused and very useful to a player looking for that information. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkw60-rieA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted December 24, 2010 Author Share Posted December 24, 2010 Again, some nice ideas, but this first DVD will be strictly about bass technique and bass lines on the Hammond. I'm not going to get into jazz theory. Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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