burningbusch Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Here's a small taste of what I've been working on. It's 16 velocity layers with no loops, natural decay sampling of my Mark V. It's planned for the Motif XF, Kontakt and probably Avid Structure. The software versions will be at least 18 velocity layers + key-off samples. This was just recorded to USB from the XF. Mark V for Motif XF Comments? Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 That's a good sounding piano. I have a technical question - how do you accurately control velocity when sampling specific layers? Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 That's a good sounding piano..... +1 How are the upper registers? "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 20, 2010 Author Share Posted November 20, 2010 That's a good sounding piano. I have a technical question - how do you accurately control velocity when sampling specific layers? Every note sampled in 1db increments. I think that's key. On the Kontakt version I can map it to respond very exactly to how the Rhodes responds. I tried sampling 28 velocity layers but found the bottom layers did not change enough in timbre to warrant the sampling, plus you're fighting noise more and more at those levels. 1db allows for very subtle timbre changes and across the main body of the instrument that's what you're getting. There are NO jumps in timbre. Everything responds as you would expect a real instrument to respond. In the actual sampling process I record all velocities for the note in one session. I strike a key and take note of the decibel based on software meters. I go through all the velocity layers, sometimes many strikes just to get a specific db. Once I have all db levels recorded for the note, I separate out each samples and arrange them in order. I then normalize them, apply noise reduction and do further editing. Moonglow. I've worked up 3 1/2 octaves as a prototype. I don't expect the upper octaves to be an issue based on how the piano sounds by itself. The Mark V has been completely revamped with new hammer tips and all notes set to max sustain by a top Rhodes tech. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I very little about Rhodeses except for the samples I've had, but that sounds really really nice. I wish you'd make an EXS88 version. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Sounds great, Busch. Must be a lot of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I know very little about Rhodeses except for the samples I've had, but that sounds really really nice. I wish you'd make an EXS24 version. Fixed The timbre of the Rhodes is not quite to my taste, I prefer the darker sound of a typical Mk I, but regardless I'd get your library. It sounds incredible, meticulous, and it's naturally going to cut in a mix without any extra manipulation while not sounding Dyno'd. In other words, for most practical situations, it's going to sound better than my taste in Rhodes sounds... Very impressive A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffk Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Wow, that's really something - sounds great. YouTube music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Warren Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Very nice. Does it have higher velocities available? DigitalFakeBook Free chord/lyric display software for windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I'd buy that. "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Come on Tom, you don't BUY anything. You're KB is even older than mine. Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Come on Tom, you don't BUY anything. You're KB is even older than mine. Mike T. Ha! Mike, you're right. I need to help the economy and buy something. It could happen. "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Great job, Busch. I'd be interested in the Kontakt version. It sounds great especially at high velocities. A couple of observations: - Some specific notes in the middle register seem to have a sort of "after-noise" from the tines which is a bit annoying. It happens at medium-low velocities in the early sustain stage. Maybe the pickup is set slightly too close? If the sampling is already done, you could try to get rid of it with editing software. - Like Moonglow, I'd love to hear it in the upper register. Regardless, congrats for the very fine work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 VERY nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogmonkey Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 That sounds very good! Last time I played a Mark V, I didn't care for it compared to my Mark I, but I really like the sound of that! Nice work. 16 velocity layers? Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I know very little about Rhodeses except for the samples I've had, but that sounds really really nice. I wish you'd make an EXS24 version. Fixed [annoyed grunt] Obviously I combined the EXS24 and EVP88 into one, nonexistent instrument. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 21, 2010 Author Share Posted November 21, 2010 Thanks for all the positive comments guys. After working with it for a long time you lose perspective. Interestingly, prior to the new hammer tips the octave above middle C had a very hard bell sound and below middle C it was a bit dull--a pretty typical sounding Rhodes with some miles on it. But with the new tips, the upper register got mellow and fat and notes below middle C developed a slight bell when played lightly. Who would have thunk it. Carlo, what I think you're hearing is the E below middle C and the adjacent F (stretched I have samples for every other note). It's a peculiarity of that E (and F) and it became apparent only after I sampled it. It is bothersome to me as well and I'll try first to attack the source note with a new tine but if all else fails I will cure it with an alternative remap. With the software versions it's easy to provide remaps that can smooth out the instrument. I expect I'll have an every-note-sampled version plus some remaps that do borrowing from adjacent notes when that makes for a better instrument. With Yamaha, the key mapping and samples are tied together into the multi-sample, so it's not as flexible and you more or less have to make your decision and stick to it. Kevin, I do have a beautiful 1/71 Suitcase that's patiently waiting its turn to be sampled. I'm going to look into an EXS version. I have the Redmatica software so that should make building the instrument much easier. You know, sampling at 1db increments is very time consuming but it gives you a lot of flexibility later on and does make the process of creating the instrument easier and more straightforward. On the Motif XF I'll want to provide a version that fits into the eight element Voice (I have to use Performance mode to get to 16 velocities). All I do is use every other keymap and I have a Voice that's sampled at 2db increments. Also, processes like applying noise reduction are more calculated as I know the noise floor is coming up in 1db increments with each sample. Again, thanks for the comments. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Busch-are you planning on selling it? I'd buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Sounds great! Will you be making a Motif XS version? '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I'd buy an EXS version as well! Great work, love the depth and warmth on the example you posted. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Busch, thanks for your response. Before changing the tines on these notes, I'd try moving the pickup slightly... but if anyting else fails, using the samples from adjacent notes shouldn't hurt anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Kevin, I do have a beautiful 1/71 Suitcase that's patiently waiting its turn to be sampled.I'd get that too A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Kevin, I do have a beautiful 1/71 Suitcase that's patiently waiting its turn to be sampled.I'd get that too I'd get both for my XF7. The Mark V sounds great, Busch ! 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanZea Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Busch, there is no need to make a performance for a 16 velocity sample. You can make velocity switches inside a Motif 'Wave'. See page 161 in the manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksoper Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Put me down for a Kontakt version. Nice work, Busch. I'd love to a-b it with Scarbee. 9 Moog things, 3 Roland things, 2 Hammond things and a computer with stuff on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Here's a small taste of what I've been working on. It's 16 velocity layers with no loops, natural decay sampling of my Mark V. It's planned for the Motif XF, Kontakt and probably Avid Structure. The software versions will be at least 18 velocity layers + key-off samples. This was just recorded to USB from the XF. Mark V for Motif XF Comments? Busch. Hi ! Great ! I´m interested,- Kontakt 4. You plan selling it ? How many MB will it be at least ? Maybe it would be interesting for PC3K(8) too. I´m not sure if I´ll buy MotifXF keyboard, maybe wait for the XFRack,- so XF and/or Kurz version would be interesting too. A.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3keys Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Ok, I was deciding between an XS and XF. This is tipping the scales to the XF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Put me down for a Kontakt version. Nice work, Busch. I'd love to a-b it with Scarbee. +1. This might actually make me finally buy Kontakt. Currently, I have only Kontakt Player instruments. I love the Scarbee Rhodes, but this is a different animal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjzingo Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Very nice rhodes samples, would be very interested in a version for konakt. /Fred /Fred Cantaloop Soulfetch Soulbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewImprov Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Very nice rhodes samples, would be very interested in a version for konakt. /Fred +1! Turn up the speaker Hop, flop, squawk It's a keeper -Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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