Garrafon Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I'll bite and provide some sort of, hopefully, common sense answer. Even if the stand is inappropriate, I don't think your keyboard would just all of a sudden snap in half (even though it is an m-audio). I would think that if there was some support problem, you would see some visible signs (i.e. bowing/bending). If you see such signs, you might want to consider that as a warning for things to come and provide other support. If not, you are probably safe... at least until such time as you play a note/chord that is disharmonic with something played by the bass player causing the aforementioned resonance issues, which would cause the molecules in the high end of the keyboard (above middle C) to rapidly spin in a clockwise direction, while the molecules in the lower end (below middle C) (don't even ask what happens on middle C itself...it's just not pretty) to spin in a counter-clockwise direction, causing the keyboard to spontaneously combust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 at least until such time as you play a note/chord that is disharmonic with something played by the bass player causing the aforementioned resonance issues, which would cause the molecules in the high end of the keyboard (above middle C) to rapidly spin in a clockwise direction, while the molecules in the lower end (below middle C) (don't even ask what happens on middle C itself...it's just not pretty) to spin in a counter-clockwise direction, causing the keyboard to spontaneously combust. I will not admit to dropping acid in the seventies... but this paragraph - well, that's the first thing that came to mind. "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrafon Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I will not admit to dropping acid in the seventies... but this paragraph - well, that's the first thing that came to mind. Well, if you did...and that's a big if, I hope you picked it up. If you had better support (i.e. did not use an x-stand), you probably would have never dropped it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justified Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 I will not admit to dropping acid in the seventies... but this paragraph - well, that's the first thing that came to mind. Well, if you did...and that's a big if, I hope you picked it up. If you had better support (i.e. did not use an x-stand), you probably would have never dropped it in the first place. That was a nice joke! And by the way thank you Garrafon for meaningful (1st half of it) reply. (2nd part was good too but for another reason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 An M-Audio controller and X stand are a match made in Moe heaven or hell or both. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Link Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Why do I get the feeling a regular contributor is opening up new accounts lately and posting questions guaranteed to elicit the predictable responses? aka âmisterdregsâ Nord Electro 5D 73 Yamaha P105 Kurzweil PC3LE7 Motion Sound KP200S Schimmel 6-10LE QSC CP-12 Westone AM Pro 30 IEMs Rolls PM55P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justified Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Nope I'm not that regular contributor you're talking about, but a newcomer. If I knew what kind of response is going to be here, I'd think twice before posting. Though finally there were 3-4 sensible replies and a couple of funny jokes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Nope it's not google translator just my poor english, thanks for letting me know about my english language level. Obviously your comprehension skills could use some help. Luckily you don't have a legal right to "officially declare" anything of this level though. A legal right, huh? Oooooookay. And yes, it would be possible to answer the question by myself by disassembling my midi-keyboard and looking inside, kind of thing that I actually I don't want to do and google image search didn't help me either. Let me suggest something, hopefully you can keep up. You bought an M-Audio Axiom 61 keyboard. Your worried that using it on an X-stand is somehow unsafe, that the keyboard might somehow structurally fail because you're not supporting it in the middle. 1) Did you check the M-Audio website and user forum for such a warning? 2) If this was somehow the case, you probably would have found a reference to it somewhere on the Internet, don't you think? 3) If this was a problem because of X-stands, one would probably see far fewer of them in use, no? So, whether or not I have a "legal right", in this case, I'm declaring common sense dead. Sue me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinny Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Your worried that using it on an X-stand is somehow unsafe, that the keyboard might somehow structurally fail because you're not supporting it in the middle. You're... Stuff and things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justified Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Sven, I see your point, thank you for your common sense. Keep them coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahZark Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Apologies in advance. Couldn't resist. http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o89/noah822/cluelessness03.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justified Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Self-censor has lost finally, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahZark Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 OK, then.... There is one instance - speaking from direct, personal experience - when the stand would likely 'scissor' open, drop to a height of about 6", with the keyboard following closely behind. But, the scenario would require a few critical factors to be present for this particular result to occur: 1) a somewhat light, portable stage (i.e. - folding table style, with legs in the 10" - 16" range, made up of flimsy, interlocking connectors; 2) Two to three, front line band members who like to jump up and down - in time to the beat - for several choruses of a rather driving, rock tune; thus causing the stage to bounce, the stand to bounce and 'scissor' up and down on its' center bolt, and the bolt to then shear in half - resulting in immediate stand failure, and likely damage to the keyboard and its' peripherals. Other than that, or a similar scenario, I'd say the OP's setup is safe as is. But, beware of large men mistaking a stage for a trampoline 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyman27 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 In Soviet Russia, keyboard stand uses you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroMor Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Howdy, Moe. Your bi-line intrigued me. "chain saw.... KC amp.." I was just starting to look around for a decent set of performance monitors whilst I currently own a solo KC550. It is a little heavy in the bottom end for my taste (and others who have heard it), but I bought it. It does kick butt!! - I will say. Nonetheless, I am playing gigs at nursing homes and seating is rarely over 100. Is there a better - no wait - what is a better system through which I can better expresss a Yamaha M08? It is a stereo keyboard. I have about $600 bucks. What do you think? Thanks Walt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 What do you think? This is what is commonly referred to as "blatantly hijacking a thread". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGman Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I dated a girl a little heavy on the bottom end for my taste. I told her to haul ass; she had to make two trips... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroMor Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Yes, I am sure it is. I just saw the by-line... Sorry for the intrusion. Walt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroMor Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 One more thing. Where might I post my inquiry? I see "New Reply", but I don't see "New Post". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Click to the right of "Topic Options," then click on "New Topic" Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 So is it ok to use it without an additional board to support the middle part? Y'know, I've thought the same thing myself. Not so much with a 5-octave keyboard, but with longer ones. I don't think a 88-note keyboard will break in half by using it with, for example, an X-stand. However, I wonder if there have been reports of problems with keys in the middle octaves rubbing together over time. So far I've heard no reports of this. Ever. So I'm asking... Anybody ever had this problem? Is it worth considering a stand that supports the keyboard across its length and not just on its ends like the X-stand design? Tom "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboK Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Sven: "Oh, I understand why you said what you did, Joe... but aren't you frightened to death that someone with an engineering background would post a thread like this? I know I am..." I knew a few engineering folks back in college and I swear everyone one of them lived the mantra: Last year I couldn't spell Engineer, now I IS one! Don't be surprised. Jarheads of the technical world. Korg Kronos 2 61, Kronos 1 61, Dave Smith Mopho x4, 1954 Hammond C2, Wurlitzer 200A, Yamaha Motif 6, Casio CDP-100, Alesis Vortex Wireless, too much PA gear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Tom - A keyboard on an X-stand is usually not being supported on its extreme ends. In your hypothetical case the issue isn't the strength or support of the stand but the stiffness of the board itself. Most keyboards are essentially box girders with a space cut out for the key-bed; more than capable of supporting their own weight across their length. Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gryphon Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Last year I couldn't spell Engineer, now I IS one!You know idiots. Estonia 190, Korg TrinityPlus, Yamaha P90, Roland PK-5a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justified Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 Allan, Tom and MonksDream, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discotheque Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 justified, don't sweat Sven, he can be a bit harsh. Take his criticism for what they are: someone who doesn't like to see a question that hasn't been thought through. I have to say that although I don't say anything, often I find I agree with him (not necessarily in this thread) as, quite often, people will start a topic that has been beat to death because they don't search through the forum, or google a simple question. Anyway, somehow I doubt an X-stand would be unsuitable. In fact, aren't all stands somewhat the same in the way the board is supported i.e. with two ends supporting the board? That would mean NO keyboard stand is suitable (or very few), which strikes me as silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justified Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 Yeah, but there are "legs" in the middle of keyboard so it's fairly logical to assume that it should be supported in the middle. Even though my question could sound silly, actually even it IS silly, imo it's not a proper reason to express such a hostility and irritation as the guy you mentioned did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Anybody ever had this problem? Only on the Korg Oasys 88 key model. Some guys went for the Samsung 60" plasma monitor option, and it tended to bow the board when people played Elton or Billy. When Elton or Billy actually played, it got downright dangerous, and was cancelled. You can check on Danipedia. What we record in life, echoes in eternity. MOXF8, Electro 6D, XK1c, Motif XSr, PEKPER, Voyager, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosendorphen Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 I don't think a 88-note keyboard will break in half by using it with, for example, an X-stand. However, I wonder if there have been reports of problems with keys in the middle octaves rubbing together over time. IIRC, the Kurzweil PC88 when first released had issues with bending in the middle which affected the keys. I have some old Compuserve (!) forum discussions about that on some 3 1/2 inch floppies somewhere. And didn't the Ensoniq VFX have some issues with the aftertouch in the middle octaves due to pressure in the center when placed on certain stands? Like the aftertouch wouldn't stop. I seem to remember comments about this too. "The devil take the poets who dare to sing the pleasures of an artist's life." - Gottschalk Soundcloud Aethellis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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