Dream Theater

[Steve Force]

So, was it wankery that was Portnoy's complaint?

 

seems so..

[Al Coda]

http://www.facebook.com/notes/mike-portnoy/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater/137362372974878

 

Well, 4 pages of a thread because a drummer leaves a band !

They´ll find another one soon I think.

Portnoy isn´t the only one.

OTOH, if the shouter had left he band it would make me a bit more happy.

 

A.C.

[Jim Alfredson]

I'll just say this.

 

I am never, ever, ever going to post any of my playing on this board.

 

Ever.

 

Haha!

 

Putting your music out there means dealing with praise and criticism. If you can't handle the criticism, then don't put your stuff out there.

 

Everybody is a critic; everybody is a music expert. For every guy that likes what you're doing, there's probably 20 that either don't care or think your music sucks. Such is life.

[Ian Benhamou]

Without resorting to the infamous live JUMP clip, post what you consider some of Eddie's wankery.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAm7-Ao9UQc

 

 

Man, Poundcake is your example of wankery??????? Where????

 

You could sing that solo. Great riffs throughout.

 

3:54 - best part of the whole song.

[Joe Muscara]

VH III was a travesty

 

I blame Mike Post for that.

I do too, but maybe not in the way you think.

 

When they released the album, they had a radio show to promote it, and EVH said he loved the way Post worked with them. He would basically show up once in a while, ask if everything was okay, and split.

 

I'm not a believer in micromanagement, but we all know that the production of music benefits from outside ears and perspective, and that's what a producer does. You'd think Post would have helped them create catchier tunes.

 

P.S. Ian - thanks for that agreement. I've had these thoughts for years, and when I say them to most people, they just look at me blankly. Probably because they aren't the music geeks we are.

[Tonysounds]

Van Halen II and Fair Warning are killer displays of attitude, tone, INTERESTING AND MUSICAL guitar playing and songwriting. If you haven't heard Fair Warning, go to the library. [video:youtube]

[Bobadohshe]

Love 'Portnoy leaves Dreamtheater' turning into an EVH appreciation thread. Entirely valid and thoughtfully meandering thread of musical discussion too.

[Mitch Towne]

Tony, you beat me to it. I was just thinking about referencing "Fair Warning" as Van Halen's "soul" album. Eddie's groove on this whole record is a perfect example of why he is not lumped into the "wankers" category.

 

 

[JpScoey]

Hey guys - unless it's appeared in a previous post(s), which I don't remember seeing,

 

this thread has just invented a new word in the English language..... ie: 'wankery'

 

My hands are tired from practicing all afternoon (on my keyboards, that is!) so I looked up 'wankery' online

 

in the Oxford English Dictionary, & it doesn't exist (yet).

 

 

SO - well done fellas..... our work is done here !!!

[Griffinator]

Without resorting to the infamous live JUMP clip, post what you consider some of Eddie's wankery.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAm7-Ao9UQc

 

 

Man, Poundcake is your example of wankery??????? Where????

 

You could sing that solo. Great riffs throughout.

 

3:54 - best part of the whole song.

 

No, you're probably right, the whole drill gimmick wasn't really wanking.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XLKcMoXRE

 

That's wanking. Through and through.

[Sven Golly]

No, you're probably right, the whole drill gimmick wasn't really wanking.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XLKcMoXRE

 

That's wanking. Through and through.

 

Yep, but the difference I see between Messrs. Van Halen and Petrucci is that the former almost always looks like he's having fun and looking for chicks, the latter looks like he's trying to impress the guitarists in the audience. I've never had the sense that EVH felt he needed to prove himself.

 

As always, YMMV.

[stillplaying]

+1

 

Eddie's good fun.

 

BTW: Shouldn't this be on the guitar forum?

 

 

[Joe Muscara]

I don't know, Mr. Golly. As much as I like EVH's work, sometimes it seemed like he was trying to invent a new gimmick. "What's next after two-hand tapping? Power tools? Playing with my teeth - oh wait, Hendrix did that. Hmmm."

 

Fortunately, he didn't use the drill for the whole song. It was fun, and the rest of the tune rocked as usual.

[Dana.]

I find it foul that Eddie excluded Michael Anthony from the reunion.

 

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/EddieVanHalen.jpg

 

 

 

[Joe Muscara]

What was especially stupid and annoying about that was that Eddie said that Michael was already in Sammy's band, and "you can't be in two bands."

[Griffinator]

What was especially stupid and annoying about that was that Eddie said that Michael was already in Sammy's band, and "you can't be in two bands."

 

What a great segue into the OP.

 

Portnoy, even after leaving DT, is still in at least 3 other bands...

[BlueHedgehog]

http://www.facebook.com/notes/mike-portnoy/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater/137362372974878

 

These are shocking news for the DT fans. MP was heart and soul of the band, It will be very hard to imagine DT without him. I wish him good luck in next step of his career.

[The Real MC]

He also knows when to dig into the flash, and when to lay back.

 

Sorry but I disagree. EVH has stated in the past that he couldn't play with keyboard players. EVH simply overplays and he doesn't like other musicians stepping on his toes. Michael Anthony's bass tone was always constricted to make room for EVH, and when Chickenfoot was starting up Sammy Hagar was struck at the improvement of Anthony's tone which got bigger because EVH wasn't around anymore.

 

EVH may be an innovator, but he does not work well with other musicians.

[analogholic]

Music is the language of emotions (like someone said) and telling a story. DT just can´t do any of that

I really tried, but couldn´t listen trough a whole record with them

 

And honestly, watching Portnoy spit massive loogies that can be seen from 70 rows back is no treat.

 

If I were them, Id call Terry Bozzio.Id go see that, and give them one more shot with my CD allowance.

 

Went to a Sabian drumfestival like 10 years ago. Portnoy was doing his bullshit drumclichés AND of course that ridiculous spitting-thing...

 

THEN came Mr Talent, Terry Bozzio and totally destroyed him, just by playing MUSIC on his drums!!! ´Nuff said.

 

Would be VERY surprised if a deeply emotional and musical guy like Bozzio would join Dream Theatre.

[DanS]

Without resorting to the infamous live JUMP clip, post what you consider some of Eddie's wankery.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAm7-Ao9UQc

 

 

Man, Poundcake is your example of wankery??????? Where????

 

You could sing that solo. Great riffs throughout.

 

3:54 - best part of the whole song.

 

I think there's a difference between musical wanking, and watching videos that make you wanna wank.

That drill bit was right out of DiPalma's Body Double....

[mate stubb]

Have to second Bozzio's musicality. I really enjoyed his work on the Black Light Syndrome stuff.

[Griffinator]

Have to second Bozzio's musicality. I really enjoyed his work on the Black Light Syndrome stuff.

 

Definitely a Bozzio worshiper here too. He was amazing with Zappa, and only got more so as his career went on.

 

 

[Joe Muscara]

He also knows when to dig into the flash, and when to lay back.

 

Sorry but I disagree. EVH has stated in the past that he couldn't play with keyboard players.

I was only talking about as far as himself and the song, going between rhythm/main riff and lead. You're right about him with other players though. I have a live recording of him playing with MJ on Beat It and you can tell he doesn't know what to do with himself during the rest of the song. (Could be defined as "wanking" )

[mate stubb]

I've seen another vid of Eddie playing live with Jan Hammer, who couldn't get a note in edgewise.

[Joe Muscara]

In other words, Eddie is the one that "can't be in two bands."

[gryphon]

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/EddieVanHalen.jpg

Hard to believe EVH and I are about the same age.

 

http://home.comcast.net/~dannylgriffin/img/pianodan.jpg

 

We are the same age in these photos. You revere him?

 

Even for his music?

 

I know we all have different tastes in music, but I wouldn't pick an EVH CD out of the gutter much less pay money for it.

 

But that's just me. We're all different.

[stillplaying]

O/T Hi Gryphon - looking good. You need to tell EVH who does your hair.

 

Back On Topic: This is the keyboard forum and a Dream Theatre thread. All this guitar and drum talk. It's not fair to say that Jordan is a "soul-less note-fest" maestro because he is in a band with Petrucci.

 

It's fair to say that because of the way he plays.

[gryphon]

O/T Hi Gryphon - looking good. You need to tell EVH who does your hair.

Any local barber for $15. Seriously, what man wears long hair (besides cartoon characters) since, oh, let's be generous, 1985. That's 25 years ago.

 

YMMV, as I'm sure it will.

[Tomkeen]

Hard to believe EVH and I are about the same age.

 

Yah, but that is a pretty lousy picture. He was probably high on something and drunk.. He looks a lot better these days, with short hair.

http://www.fretbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/eddie-2.jpg

 

[stillplaying]

Are you sure that's EVH and not Tommy Emmanuel?

 

www.kungfuguitar.net/photo/tommy%20emmanuel.jpg

 

I notice the tremolo arm (whammy bar for the youngsters) has plucked his jeans.

 

Liking the gel on his hair. Think they'd let him on the X Factor (American Idol)?

 

"So your name's Eddie. Nice gel. What song are you going to be singing for Mr Cowell tonight? Hot For Teacher? One of your own? Great. And this song - it's based on a real teacher? Not your guitar teacher? Right. A school teacher? Ok. And is she here tonight? She's retired? Really? When did you write the song? Oh. So ... how old are you? Ah. No, I recognise you now. You've had a hair cut. Ok, let's hear it ...

 

... stop, stop - when does the singing start? You can't sing? Neither could that Satriana man that was here earlier - what was he called - yes Joe. He gave it his best shot though. Said he had a single out at some point. Try something else. What's that? A song about a volcano? Ok, let's hear it ..."