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Last week i had a problem in my back when moving my Kurzweil PC3X from the stand to the case. Today i had to play again in a rehearsal and I decided to try KeyPerformer from Guido with my Macbook and Novation Remore 37SL. I used the demo.

The PC3X is 25Kg, so new combo was a lot lighter.

I only used wurtlizer, rhodes and hammond sounds.

I didnt have the time to program the sliders and knobs in the Novation but it doesnt loo kvery difficult with midi learn, and not to many controls. I think I can control everything with once set of controls in the Novation.

What I liked was the sounds. Not that the PC3X are bad (in fact i like it a lot) but The KeyPerformer sounds were pretty good too.

 

So now i am thinking of buying a good - light 76 keys controller and use it with my Macbook/Keyperformer for a lighter rig.

 

What do you think?

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Last week i had a problem in my back when moving my Kurzweil PC3X from the stand to the case. Today i had to play again in a rehearsal and I decided to try KeyPerformer from Guido with my Macbook and Novation Remore 37SL. I used the demo.

The PC3X is 25Kg, so new combo was a lot lighter.

I only used wurtlizer, rhodes and hammond sounds.

I didnt have the time to program the sliders and knobs in the Novation but it doesnt loo kvery difficult with midi learn, and not to many controls. I think I can control everything with once set of controls in the Novation.

What I liked was the sounds. Not that the PC3X are bad (in fact i like it a lot) but The KeyPerformer sounds were pretty good too.

 

So now i am thinking of buying a good - light 76 keys controller and use it with my Macbook/Keyperformer for a lighter rig.

 

What do you think?

A couple of tangential thoughts...

 

For lightweight Wurly, Rhodes, and Hammond, a Nord Stage could be another way to go (spoken as someone who is still a bit skeptical of relying on a laptop as the only sound source for a gig).

 

Your PC3X is fully weighted, the Novation is not... for your playing, did this make any real difference to you, whether in the wurly/rhodes playing or the organ?

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I will buy the KeyPerformer as soon as I find a band to use it in (currently not playing much vintage key sounds). Played the demo and loved it. Very intuitive interface, a joy to program.

It's a great piece of software. The Hammond and the VA are my favorites. The VA is very simple but sounds fat and you can get good sounds almost instantly. The piano is playable, too. And it's only 100 Euros now, so why not?

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For lightweight Wurly, Rhodes, and Hammond, a Nord Stage could be another way to go (spoken as someone who is still a bit skeptical of relying on a laptop as the only sound source for a gig).

 

If those would be the only sounds I needed, a Stage or Electro 3 would definitely be my number 1 choice.

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So now i am thinking of buying a good - light 76 keys controller and use it with my Macbook/Keyperformer for a lighter rig.

 

What do you think?

 

I will have to check out KeyPerformer....

 

Question though: Who currently makes a good, light 76 key controller that is designed for use with software instruments ?

Though I'm aware that CME makes a '76', my prior research - plus a rather discouraging 'hands on' experience with a UF 70 Classic earlier this year - had caused me to basically write them off for the time being. Is there a reliable, current, 76 key synth action controller now available ? I'd replace my Edirol PCR800 quickly if I discovered such a controller for my MacBook.

 

 

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Who currently makes a good, light 76 key controller that is designed for use with software instruments ?

 

What about getting something like a Behringer BCF2000 or M-Audio Evolution uc33e for control functions, and then you can pick any 76 board you like?

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You could use an SP4-7 KLONK

 

It works as a 4 zone controller, has 128 of the PC3 sounds. Add the UC33e mentioned above or the Novation Zero SL MKII Klonk And if your laptop has trouble, no problem you have Kurzweil sounds.

 

You would have both and at 24 lbs, seriously cut the weight down. Your back will thank you for it :/

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For lightweight Wurly, Rhodes, and Hammond, a Nord Stage could be another way to go (spoken as someone who is still a bit skeptical of relying on a laptop as the only sound source for a gig).

 

If those would be the only sounds I needed, a Stage or Electro 3 would definitely be my number 1 choice.

Yup, I should have mentioned E3 as well. I only thought Stage because you're not limited to one sound at a time... but actually, for all I know, maybe KeyPerformer limits you to one sound at a time too?

 

If it's just one at a time, I'd pick the E3 over the Stage for Wurly/Rhodes/Hammond because the E3 has the better Hammond sound. It's also even lighter. And if you ever happen to need some other sound, the E3 (with its sample loading) has a lot more options (strings, brass, whatever). The Stage has its advantages too, but none of them--apart from possibly the multitimbral split/layer aspect--seem applicable in this scenario (synth section, aftertouch, MIDI control functions, pitch/mod controls).

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You could use an SP4-7 KLONK

 

It works as a 4 zone controller, has 128 of the PC3 sounds. Add the UC33e mentioned above or the Novation Zero SL MKII Klonk And if your laptop has trouble, no problem you have Kurzweil sounds.

 

You would have both and at 24 lbs, seriously cut the weight down. Your back will thank you for it :/

 

Yes, since he's already familiar with and a fan of the PC3 sounds, that's a nice approach for a light 76 semi-weighted, once it ships, if he likes the key feel. In fact, if it has the PC3 sounds he uses (and we know it has EP and KB3 sounds), he might find that's all he needs.

 

A question here is budget, which hasn't been mentioned.

 

I happen to think that the little Yamaha NP-30 has a nice feeling 76-key board, at about $300. No controller functions, so it would definitely have to be supplemented with one of those add-ons we mentioned, but it would still end up around half the price of an SP4, very low weight (the NP-30 is 12 lb!), and still offer the benefit of backup (i.e. one could manage to get through a gig with the NP-30's sounds if there were problems with the laptop).

 

p.s. -- what is "klonk", where did that come from as a substitute for "link here"? I've never seen it anywhere but this forum.

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Budget is important. KeyPerformer is only 100. Couple this with a cheap controller. Maybe 400 total. I already own the Macbook. So for me is a cheap and light option.

I am sure the best option is the Nord Electro 3, but it is 1500...

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KeyPerformer is an excellent option. Alternatively, for not a lot more, you could get the Native Instruments Vintage Keys $169 USD (Scarbee Rhodes, Wurly, Clav, Pianet) + GSi VB3 ~$50 USD. Sonically, this is the best of all possible solutions and way beyond the Nord or Kurzweil, IMO. The VB3 is the best B3 clone I've found (big brother to the KeyPerformer tonewheel organ) and of course Scarbee is the ultimate for EPs/Clavinet.

 

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I happen to think that the little Yamaha NP-30 has a nice feeling 76-key board

 

+1 Tried one recently (before recommending it to a student). Very light and plays fine. The sounds in it may be enough to save your neck when your software misbehaves - at least until the end of the tune and you do a reboot. The NP-30 only has a stereo headphone out - no mono jack.

 

I've been down the laptop route with NI Kore 1 hardware (for audio and midi in/out) and an old 76 key Roland A33. Very light and portable - and it sounded wonderful (to me anyway). Did over a 100 gigs before returning to hardware.

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KeyPerformer is an excellent option. Alternatively, for not a lot more, you could get the Native Instruments Vintage Keys

 

I'm also looking at these kinds of things, and was considering MOTU's Electric Keys. Does anyone have any thoughts about how that compares with Key Performer or NI Vintage Keys?

 

I guess the differences between these packages is in part which sounds they include (there's a lot of overlap, but also differences); the quality of the sounds where they do overlap; and how well they run on the hardware in question. In my case, as I mentioned in another (apparently orphan) thread, I'm looking for something that will run well on a V-Machine, so there is additional value in something that is resource-frugal. Depending on the specs of the OP's Macbook, it could be an issue there as well.

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I've been down the laptop route with NI Kore 1 hardware (for audio and midi in/out) and an old 76 key Roland A33. Very light and portable - and it sounded wonderful (to me anyway). Did over a 100 gigs before returning to hardware.

 

You must know that the next question is, if it was light and portable and sounded wonderful, what prompted you to move back to hardware?

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I only used wurtlizer, rhodes and hammond sounds.

I didnt have the time to program the sliders and knobs in the Novation

 

What sliders an knobs do you need? Are you thinking about Hammond drawbar equivalents? Something else?

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I only used wurtlizer, rhodes and hammond sounds.

I didnt have the time to program the sliders and knobs in the Novation

 

What sliders an knobs do you need? Are you thinking about Hammond drawbar equivalents? Something else?

 

Yes. You can use the faders of you controller to move the hammond drawbars.

 

I am thinking...if Guido could do a keyperformer app for the iPad this would be a fantastic choice. The iPad is very light and portable and i think powerful enough to ran this app. Lots of apps are getting Line6 MIDI support this days.

 

I have no doubt that those Scarbee vintage eps sound fantastic (and better than keyperformer) but I also need the organ sounds, and only using one program is better for me, for simplycity. Another thing is that keyperformer is light on resourcers. Those giga libraries need surely a more powerful machine.

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Lots of apps are getting Line6 MIDI support this days.

Thanks for that info, I hadn't seen anything about that Line6 piece, that's just the kind of thing I've been looking for! I had found one "DIY" approach (see http://hmb-tec.de/iPhoneApps/Midi_Controller.html ) and vaporware (see http://www.iconnectivity.com/ ) but I somehow missed this one!

 

EDIT: That DIY company actually offers to sell you the cable too, you don't have to build it yourself... but I couldn't find anyplace on the site to actually buy it! Looked pricey too. And somehow, sending MIDI out the headphone port as opposed to a data port like the others just sounds a little dicey...

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Who currently makes a good, light 76 key controller that is designed for use with software instruments ?

 

What about getting something like a Behringer BCF2000 or M-Audio Evolution uc33e for control functions, and then you can pick any 76 board you like?

 

The BCF2000 and UC33e are excellent solutions, but adding those to a separate, 76 key instrument w/sounds ups the price a bit - beyond basic controller territory (unless a used Roland A-70 can be located). Still weird that a lightweight, 76 key controller by Roland/Edirol, M-audio, Akai, etc. - same layout as their other models - isn't being produced. Yes, it appears to be my continuing :deadhorse: , but still frustrating....

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