muiriled Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 I wonder how many of you improvise on classic pieces? Like we see below many so called classic songs were actually jazz pieces but swing was removed for political reasons. [video:youtube]gOZlo-VbiGs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hey, that may be how he played it after a few glasses of wine to loosen up. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Benhamou Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Wow, what a left hand. Killer! I don't know about your swing conspiracy theory though. Sounds a bit ludicrous. Ian Benhamou Keyboards/Guitar/Vocals [url:https://www.facebook.com/OfficialTheMusicalBox/]The Musical Box[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Very funny and great pianist - but it doesn't sound like improvisation to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Left hand stride, swing feel, no improv. Classical composers recorded their improvisations on paper. About swing: On a break on a Lou Donaldson gig once, the drummer told me, "jazz swing started with the invention of the hi-hat in 1926 in NYC." CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Actually, it specifies that he is interpreting and not improvising. Didn't take away from the enjoyment of the piece, though. Very well done. Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_Gould Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 As to the O.P.'s contention in the title of this thread, I'd have to vote NO - Chopin may have been a genius, amongst other things, but he was not a jazzer. Claude Debussy (& perhaps Maurice Ravel) on the other hand... Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88kees Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 CHopin was a genius just did not live long enough! Accountability..... Creates Opportunity! Character...................Ability XV88,TS88,FANTOMS88,FANTOMFA76,MOTIFESR,EX5R,D8B,prot2000 PX-7,MV8000,MC909,XK-2,DM5,KorgM3M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muiriled Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 As to the O.P.'s contention in the title of this thread, I'd have to vote NO - Chopin may have been a genius, amongst other things, but he was not a jazzer. Scott I think you're wrong regarding the latter, listen to this: [video:youtube]rosYAcJ7zyA It's all jazz. Chopin simply couldn't play jazz music in European parlours at his times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 I love that Etude. Cool video!! That sounds great. I don't know who those two freaks are playing it but it sounds pretty fantastic. Clearly an old vid as well, judging by the monitors they're watching at times. In all seriousness, some of the harmonies you come across in Chopin truly are astounding in how progessive they must have been in the 1830s. One of my favorites occurs in his third B major Nocturne, Op. 62 #1: http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/143/l_80dd306021e646b3a245b0759e1afc2b.png Sorry the Chord symbol for B/C# should be aligned over the next measure, and the B/F# should be over beat 3, not 2. With that full on Motown Sus Chord followed by a fat IV/I gospel cadence, this sounds like it's a cool 150 years too early. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muiriled Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 In all seriousness, some of the harmonies you come across in Chopin truly are astounding in how progessive they must have been in the 1830s. exactly what i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Just for those who haven't heard it - Applying a jazz approach to non-jazz classical music in a very musical way, one of my all time favorites - Ellington's revamp of the Nutcracker Suite: http://www.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral/playlistdetail?playlistId=ply.12745149 CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 People have "jazzed up" all sorts of classics, from the Swingle Singers doing Bach to "A Fifth of Beethoven" and the aforementioned Nutcracker. There's just one dude who can't be jazzed up: Brahms I love Rick Wakeman as much as anybody, but that "Cans and Brahms" thingy on Fragile was a disaster. If you're thinking of jazzing up Brahms or "Tomita-izing" Brahms, just walk away. Please, think of the children. My late, great teacher summed it up best during a lesson. I was playing a Brahms Sonata and laughing a bit because I was messing up. She looked at me and very sternly said: Brahms never wrote anything funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muiriled Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 here you go Brubeck tribute to Chopin: [video:youtube]XVjE_izUa2M I heard they were jamming together once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 I heard Chopin was a manic depressive? Was that ever proven? "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 I heard Chopin was a manic depressive? Was that ever proven? Yes, generally by the third bar A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLaw Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 ... She looked at me and very sternly said: Brahms never wrote anything funny. Oh come on, not even the Hungarian Dances? Not even a smile? [video:youtube] Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Just for those who haven't heard it - Applying a jazz approach to non-jazz classical music in a very musical way, one of my all time favorites - Ellington's revamp of the Nutcracker Suite: http://www.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral/playlistdetail?playlistId=ply.12745149 Aarrgghh - it says "only available inside the United States"! (and why?! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 I own that CD Marino, I'll see what I can do to somehow get it so you can hear it. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 ... She looked at me and very sternly said: Brahms never wrote anything funny. Oh come on, not even the Hungarian Dances? Not even a smile? [video:youtube] Larry. I don't think Heifetz ever smiled, not one time. Sourpuss! BTW, the Ellington Nutcracker has versions on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhodaway10 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Just for those who haven't heard it - Applying a jazz approach to non-jazz classical music in a very musical way, one of my all time favorites - Ellington's revamp of the Nutcracker Suite: http://www.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral/playlistdetail?playlistId=ply.12745149 This is one of my favs as well. Wynton Marsalis does a great job recreating this in one of his "Jazz for Kids" series. Seeing that the Nutcracker is the one ballet that nearly all kids (and adults) will tolerate, it's a great teaching tool. www.brianho.net http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/brianho www.youtube.com/brianhojazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhodaway10 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Left hand stride, swing feel, no improv. Classical composers recorded their improvisations on paper. About swing: On a break on a Lou Donaldson gig once, the drummer told me, "jazz swing started with the invention of the hi-hat in 1926 in NYC." SK! Awesome! Lou Donaldson. I'd love to him (and you) play live sometime. www.brianho.net http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/brianho www.youtube.com/brianhojazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Pierce Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 My late, great teacher summed it up best during a lesson. I was playing a Brahms Sonata and laughing a bit because I was messing up. She looked at me and very sternly said: Brahms never wrote anything funny. You know, that's pretty interesting. I'm no expert on classical music by any stretch, but I am a "know what I like" kind of guy, and I've never enjoyed Brahms much, but wasn't sure why. Now I know. "Ha ha, only serious." --Dave Make my funk the P-funk. I wants to get funked up. My Funk/Jam originals project: http://www.thefunkery.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muiriled Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 I am a "know what I like" kind of guy, and I've never enjoyed Brahms much, but wasn't sure why. --Dave same with me, I guess Brahms played too much funeral gigs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 bhodaway, thanks, just a sideman thing when he came through town once. I rarely do hard bop gigs these days - I've kinda moved on to other stuff. Amazingly, I just saw where Lou Donaldson was playing two nights ago in NY. He's gotta be 'getting up there'. Carlo, sorry Ellington's Nutcracker wouldn't play for you. It's a classic, creative, swings hard and it's funny. Worth hearing. Makes no sense why it's not available elsewhere, since jazz stuff is more popular outside the US than in. CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gildabass Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 but it doesn't sound like improvisation to me. I think muiriled meant he was improvising on the interpertation of the piece. There are more people playing classical like it it was written, and not enough playing freely, with that personnal touch ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muiriled Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 jazz stuff is more popular outside the US than in. and how on earth did you guys allow for this to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 jazz stuff is more popular outside the US than in. and how on earth did you guys allow for this to happen... Nobody allowed it to happen. The creativity of musos combining styles and influences led to new music that became more popular. Otherwise, Jazz is still alive and well in the US. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus64 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Carlo, sorry Ellington's Nutcracker wouldn't play for you. It's a classic, creative, swings hard and it's funny. Worth hearing. Makes no sense why it's not available elsewhere, since jazz stuff is more popular outside the US than in. I posted a link to Marsalis doing it about 5 posts back, there are many renditions of it on Youtube. In the 50s and 60s, there was a movement in music called " Third Stream." It was basically a fusion of Jazz and classical, what we are talking about in this thread. Here's the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_stream In many ways, it produced some of the most ridiculous music ever written. My favorite was the classic "Scheherazade" done in a version called "Scheherajazz-A symphony in Jazz". It's about as cornball as you can get. Here is Scheherajazz played by a junior high stage band, a pretty good one for their ages: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLaw Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 and Bach was actually a folker [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIC0PmmLqk Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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