Gifthorse Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I love Orange cabinets. I have read that nowadays they come stock with Vintage 30's in them. I know in the 90's they had Celestion T 75s in them. I haven't played through a new cabinet with the vintage 30's. Has anyone tried both types? I know I LOVED the T75's. I am not sure I like Vintage 30's as much, but then again I haven't tried the newer cabinets.. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Jew Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I played through a newer Orange 2x12 recently. It was quite nice. I've also played through an older one, and it was also lovely, but it was older than a '90s model, so I can't say how that era's cabs sound. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I've also tried out a recent-make Orange 2x12 cab loaded with Celestion Vintage 30s; I tried it with both a Fuchs Lucky 7, and an Orange Tiny Terror. It was excellent with both amps, especially the TT (no surprise there). That cab with those speakers and a cranked tube-amp is excellent for kerranging, sch'sching-ing chord chops, grindy biting p!$$3d-off rock 'n' roll, hard-rock and punk tones. Makes 1st-position/open chords sound mean instead of campfire. Sounds like wood and metal. Lotsa Who, AC/DC, Clash, leather jacketed side of classic rock in there. At least those are the types of sounds that it made me wanna play when I had it hooked up to a dimed TT with a G&L ASAT (Tele style)! Good cab for the "play the amp" approach, riding the guitar's volume-knob throughout a tune. I would guess that you would probably prefer the Celestion T-75s, Bruce, IIRC from playing through 'em here and there, they're a little tighter and smoother and clearer with less upper-mids than the Vintage 30s, a little less brash- am I right? I think the T-75s are more "you". But I don't think you'd hate the Vintage 30s in an Orange cab, either. Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifthorse Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 Yeah the T75's seemed a bit more rounded. But the Orange had an awesome kind of ground connection. Totally rooted to the ground sounding. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman3441 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I've always played combos and have no experience whatsoever with stacks. Can someone tell me why it matters who made what cab? I always thought they were just speaker enclosures and so the only thing that'd affect the sound would be the speakers? The Blues Jr. Emerald has a Vintage 30. I'm blaming it for my infatuation. Love that thing. I'll probably look for amps with Vintage 30's till I die... or play something I like better... or play something with a V30 that sucks... or if I'm lookin for a sound I can't get with it (that hasn't happened yet)... or if I find out that the reason I like my amp is cause of something else... Well anyhow, I like it! We cannot accelerate the growth of a tree by pulling on its branches. - Ricardo Iznaola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 The cabinet can act sort of like the body of an acoustic guitar- so size and dimensions and materials and construction all affect the ultimate sound. Stiffness (usually dictated by thickness) of the baffle will also affect the sound. Some speakers and cabinets are excellent matches together, and some are not. For example, some speakers are great for closed-back cabs (like those most often found in "stacks"), but sound too loose in the lows in an open-backed cab like most combo-amps, as the open-back allows a greater amount of motion (excursion) of the speaker-cone, which is controlled more- dampened or damped- by a closed-back cab's semi-air-tight "suction" effect on the cones as they move forward and back. And some speakers might sound great in a combo-amp's open-backed cab, but too thin in a closed-back cab. So, a closed-back cab will often have tighter, but maybe deeper, lows and low-mids, and more of a directional focus, as if the sound was coming out of the front like a "beam"; while an open-backed cab will have looser but more billowing lows and a more ambient sound that reflects around the room from both the front and back, with many little phase-cancellations at various frequencies within all that which further affect the sound. Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifthorse Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 I've always played combos and have no experience whatsoever with stacks. Can someone tell me why it matters who made what cab? I always thought they were just speaker enclosures and so the only thing that'd affect the sound would be the speakers? The Blues Jr. Emerald has a Vintage 30. I'm blaming it for my infatuation. Love that thing. I'll probably look for amps with Vintage 30's till I die... or play something I like better... or play something with a V30 that sucks... or if I'm lookin for a sound I can't get with it (that hasn't happened yet)... or if I find out that the reason I like my amp is cause of something else... Well anyhow, I like it! Well, I am not any kind of cabinet expert but generally you get what you pay for. Cabinet construction and materials are very important in sound, not just the speakers. You could have some Crate 4/12 with Celestions and then compare it to an Orange with the same speakers. The Orange will sound 10 times better, and just feel more real. More solid. But thats why Oranges cost ALOT. Really you get what you pay for. Dr. Z best 2/12 cost like $700 new or something. Maybe $650. Thats because they are quality. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 You should price Fuchs cabs, all solid woods (no ply/laminate)... depending on the speakers chosen to load in 'em, they can cost more than a lot of amps! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I love the T 75s, have a pair in a Bedrock combo... but right now I'm in love with a pair of Hellatone 60 Ls - which are the vintage 30s that Celestion makes for Marshall that the Avatar cabinet folks run through a frequency program to age and soften - that are in a sturdy fake VOX cab... http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs104.snc3/15145_226469274622_726569622_4195245_117002_n.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillWelcome Home Studios Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I love Orange cabinets. I have read that nowadays they come stock with Vintage 30's in them. I know in the 90's they had Celestion T 75s in them. I haven't played through a new cabinet with the vintage 30's. Has anyone tried both types? I know I LOVED the T75's. I am not sure I like Vintage 30's as much, but then again I haven't tried the newer cabinets.. I've only used old original ones, and dimensionally and construction-wise they were noting special or remarkable. Sure looked cool though. "I believe that entertainment can aspire to be art, and can become art, but if you set out to make art you're an idiot." Steve Martin Show business: we're all here because we're not all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillWelcome Home Studios Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I've always played combos and have no experience whatsoever with stacks. Can someone tell me why it matters who made what cab? I always thought they were just speaker enclosures and so the only thing that'd affect the sound would be the speakers? Cabinet design is a whole world of technology. My current favorite is the THD cab. I've had it for about five years now, I guess. It is a 2x12 cab, which has always been my favorite in a cab, being a lot more portable than the Marshall 4x12 (though I happen to like 2x10 if you can find one loaded with a pair of Gauss PA speakers). What makes the THD special is it has a smaller cab volume, and a semi-open back... not a slot loaded cab, and not an open back, but just enough back pressure to bring some of that Marshall THUNK to the table without destroying the open backed sound that one normally associates with a combo amp. "I believe that entertainment can aspire to be art, and can become art, but if you set out to make art you're an idiot." Steve Martin Show business: we're all here because we're not all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman3441 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Dang, I never thought about it like that. Makes total sense, now! We cannot accelerate the growth of a tree by pulling on its branches. - Ricardo Iznaola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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