HammondDave Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 There is a contentious discussion on the boards regarding whether or not The Who were playing any of their show live during the Superbowl halftime. It seems from this observer that there was a click track with cover tracks being played (the synth and backup singing), but quite obvious that the drums, guitar, and much of the lead vocals were live... There are recordings on YouTube of this performance. Any opinions? '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzikTeechur Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 There were times when I noticed that the singers' mouths weren't necessarily synced up with what I was hearing. Also I noticed a few times when Townsend missed a word or was back from the mic and yet the vocals continued on. On the other hand, if any of that was pre-recorded you'd think they'd have done a better job on the recording! Someone said that all the tunes The Who did in their medley were theme songs to CBS shows like CSI and such. Talk about commercialism! Muzikteechur is Lonnie, in Kittery, Maine. HS music teacher: Concert Band, Marching Band, Jazz Band, Chorus, Music Theory, AP Music Theory, History of Rock, Musical Theatre, Piano, Guitar, Drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 "The Who Sell Out"... Great album... '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montunoman Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I thought the drummer was out of sync on a few fills. I was thinking it was some kind of delay issue. Stange sounding mix (vocals too hot, weak drum sound) The lights were cool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanC Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I know I saw the camera on the B3 when I was hearing synth - didn't see any synth players on camera. . . Stan Gig Rig: Yamaha S90 XS; Hammond SK-1; Rehearsal: Yamaha MOX8 Korg Triton Le61, Yamaha S90, Hammond XK-1 Retired: Hammond M2/Leslie 145, Wurly 200, Ensoniq VFX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogut Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Definitely saw Daltry drop the mic from his mouth and a vocal come out. -Greg Motif XS8, MOXF8, Hammond XK1c, Vent Rhodes Mark II 88 suitcase, Yamaha P255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melikou1 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sucked big-time - "We'll Try And Fool You Again" might be their next release. Contrived and embarrasing. I agree, if they were going to lip-sync, could have done a better track. But just think how bad it would have been if it was live. Peter Townsend's windmills were ridiculous looking.... I still love the music that they put out.....just don't want to remember them by that "performance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDP Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 No way those synth parts (and others) were played live....you guys know the routine, clik track in the drummers ear....part live, part memorex..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 They were great. I enjoyed it a lot. Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I missed it. Can someone tell me if they played "Rough Boys"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nightime Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Nah, they did "Pinball Wizard", "See Me Feel Me" & the CSI trilogy. I think at least the vocals were live. Why would anyone lip sync to vocals that poor. Both of them sounded like their voices were gone, and they were having to force it. Plus you could tell the Daltrey's mike was live by the harp playing in place of a violin. As far as the synth parts, I think they've been doing those from tape for years. Too perfect, all the way down to the "filter sweep" "In the beginning, Adam had the blues, 'cause he was lonesome. So God helped him and created woman. Now everybody's got the blues." Willie Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montunoman Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sucked big-time - " But just think how bad it would have been if it was live. That's what I just don't get- why would they record something that sounded so bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Since Memorex is 80s, The Who were live DAW. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 They have 4 minutes to get set up. I remember hearing Bruce Springsteen not wanting to use tracks because his band is good enough without them but the NFL requires it. "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 They have 4 minutes to get set up. I remember hearing Bruce Springsteen not wanting to use tracks because his band is good enough without them but the NFL requires it. I have no problem with the NFL show producers getting bands on and off the stage in record time. Pre-fabrication and the 5 second delay is great. I'd just like for the acts to have autonomy in coming up with and rehearsing a set that is totally live and rocks within the given amount of time. As I mentioned in the other thread, it might be corny sometimes but the CBS Late Show orchestra delivers live kick a** music on a tight time schedule. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogmonkey Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I think I'm going to be sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd1 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 My question is why wasn't Carrie Underwood lip synching - damn she can't sing without autotune, don't even want to go to QL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workstationM.I. Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Definitely live. Would YOU go out with a taped mix that sounded as uneven as THAT one did? I don't believe so. Broadcast television,even in the 21st Century,STILL can't get it right! I would bet my bottom dollar that the people in Florida got a fantastic sounding show while we at home got the same ol' "The Stereo Mics On Our Broadcast Cameras Will Do Just Fine" bit. Anyone at CBS ever hear of grabbing a mix off the desk? Hello! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workstationM.I. Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 My question is why wasn't Carrie Underwood lip synching - damn she can't sing without autotune, don't even want to go to QL. So you'd know that it was Carrie Underwood,natch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It was boring, but I liked the light show and lasers. There's no way the scream on the end of WGFA wasn't on tape...The cameras pulled back seemingly to two miles away so you couldn't see the lip synching. Apparently all the Super Bowl shows are sort of lip synched or there is a backing tape going (not talking about the tapes the Who have used for the Who's Next duo for 38 years). There was talk about this after Bruce's show last year. Still can't really tell what's real or not...I think for 65 years old Daltrey is doing good and still sings pretty well. Compare him to Coverdale, who can only scream, tune the songs down a whole step, point the mic at the crowd during every high note, and then have the band sing many parts of each song. It's weird, I still enjoy some of the bands I liked when I was in my teens now, but the Who I just haven't been able to carry with me, even though I went and got on CD much of the stuff I have on album. They were my favorite band as a teen! Next year I say they should get Fogerty and Kenny Aronoff, and we will really have a vital, youthful, (yeah he's old too- but Fogerty's one of the only ones who still brings it as good as 1969) still can hit all the notes kick ass classic rock show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Next Year should be Kenny Loggins. That would rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Nah, they did "Pinball Wizard", "See Me Feel Me" & the CSI trilogy. I think at least the vocals were live. Why would anyone lip sync to vocals that poor. Both of them sounded like their voices were gone, and they were having to force it. Plus you could tell the Daltrey's mike was live by the harp playing in place of a violin. As far as the synth parts, I think they've been doing those from tape for years. Too perfect, all the way down to the "filter sweep" I wish the second guitarist was mixed in. That would have helped some. Pete was mixed way too hot at times. I enjoyed the set just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Not sure if this was posted yet, but here's some background info regarding the show, from the IK Multimedia website: (bold emphasis added by me for those looking for the short strokes ) For the Bridgestone Halftime Show at SuperBowl XLIV, in Miami, FL, USA, "The Who" were asked by the NFL and CBS to prepare a 12-minute medley of their greatest hits, including the songs used as the introductions to CBS's popular "CSI", "CSI: Miami," and "CSI: New York" dramas. Matt Hay, the engineer for the Who since 2002, knew he had a tricky job ahead. The band needed pre-recorded tracks in case anything happened to the live feed during broadcast, but the original recordings were from all across the Who's career. So Matt turned to T-RackS 3 Deluxe to handle the job: "I use IK plug-ins all the time when working with bands like The Who. I found T-RackS 3 to be incredibly useful putting together the special half-time segment for this year's Superbowl." "I needed to balance out the tracks, re-master them all together so they sounded like one original recording, and T-RackS did that and sounded great. I also used it on a couple overdubs to give it the same vintage sound as the original recordings." Some of Daltrey's vocals were definitely live (no way they'd have kept recorded versions sounding that rough), but he was definitely miming his way through WGFA: [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-RdEB_g9sU Meh... it is what it is, and why anyone here is surprised (or doesn't realize this happens) is surprising to me. I mean, it's not like we're drummers, we deal with technology all the time! Ahem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 This does not mean that they did not play live over the pre-recorded tracks. These tracks are usually used as safety tracks in case "anything happens to the LIVE FEED"... Watch the youtube video of the performance and you will see/hear some obvious Townsend guitar flubs that match perfectly what he is playing on the guitar. The drummer (Ringo's son) is playing some pretty great fills exactly in time with the so called pre-recorded tracks. Pretty impressive if they were indeed miming it. '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400; Wurlitzer 200; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMoe Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 And the mix got better as the show progressed. Vocals were way too hot at the beginning......... Montage 7, Mojo 61, PC-3, XK-3c Pro, Kronos 88, Hammond SK-1, Motif XF- 7, Hammond SK-2, Roland FR-1, FR-18, Hammond B3 - Blond, Hammond BV -Cherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3keys Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 My local newspaper had the following headline: "The Who Boys Rock Like Their 99" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzzz Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I still enjoy some of the bands I liked when I was in my teens now, but the Who I just haven't been able to carry with me, even though I went and got on CD much of the stuff I have on album. They were my favorite band as a teen! The Who were very much the sum of their parts, and I agree with those who say The Who died when Moon died. After Entwistle passed away, as far as I am concerned Daltry-Townsend aren't remotely The Who.....they were also a favorite band of mine when I was a kid, in fact my very first album was "Tommy" when I was ten! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 The drummer (Ringo's son) is playing some pretty great fills exactly in time with the so called pre-recorded tracks. Pretty impressive if they were indeed miming it. He should have done the Moon style of air drumming from the Smothers Brothers Show. [video:youtube]utpjQFBuQQM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 They have 4 minutes to get set up. I remember hearing Bruce Springsteen not wanting to use tracks because his band is good enough without them but the NFL requires it. I remember Tom Petty being emphatic that he and his boys played everything live with no backing tracks. I don't think he would have stuck his neck out that far if it wasn't true, because the truth always comes out eventually. I don't know about Springsteen's show other than it was terrific and it sounded live. I agree with several in here that The Who were not served well with a killer mix. Both Daltry and Townsend were way too hot. If the rest of the band had been mixed up they could have got away with it probably - and that's including the auxiliary vocal help. These days there's no shame in having a sideman cover the high notes. Jon Bon Jovi demonstrated that perfectly in the Grammies a couple of weeks ago with a great short set under similar circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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