David Loving Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Burningbusch- I just got it off a retail website http://www.musiciansbuy.com/yamaha-cp1-.html (scroll to the end - 133) That's close to two cp300's! You're right, all the Yamaha websites have the correct weight. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 CP1= 130 lbs, $5,000 (maybe made of uranium?); CP5 = 70 lbs, $2600; CP50 46 lbs, $1600. If this wasn't already corrected ... from CP1 specs 27.2 kg = 60 lbs The others are even lighter. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangsu Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I think it's just nuts to see the excitement over the technology. Generalmusic has been all over this since 2002. The Promega still beats this thing out in terms of sheer horsepower. AND retro looks. Well at least now we shouldn't have to listen to the sneers and accusations that physical modeling in combination with a piano sample doesn't exist. 60 pounds, huh? Go for it Dave. Maybe in another decade they'll get it right. "........! Try to make It..REAL! compared to what? ! ! ! " - BOPBEEPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I think it's just nuts to see the excitement over the technology. Generalmusic has been all over this since 2002. The Promega still beats this thing out in terms of sheer horsepower. AND retro looks. Well at least now we shouldn't have to listen to the sneers and accusations that physical modeling in combination with a piano sample doesn't exist. 60 pounds, huh? Go for it Dave. Maybe in another decade they'll get it right. Take a blindfold test without sound and you pick the better of two actions - Fatar or Yamaha. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangsu Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Take a walk. "........! Try to make It..REAL! compared to what? ! ! ! " - BOPBEEPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Take a walk. From Wiki ... Current Situation In December 2008, Generalmusic filed for bankruptcy and closed all factories and offices in Italy. Generalmusic headquarters in Italy is closed. All the employees are dismised. The Firm is on Judge-controlled status. Well, at least Fatar parts can be had. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangsu Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Ah yes, past tense. I forget since the promega is still my benchmark for a great DP. You know, for every nail you put in their coffin I took even greater pleasure in pulling it out. It is too bad the game's over. Lose-lose. "........! Try to make It..REAL! compared to what? ! ! ! " - BOPBEEPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm not putting any nails in any coffins ... and I don't own any Yamaha stock. I played the Promega 3 and was so distracted by the spongy action I couldn't concentrate on the sound. I have never played a bad Roland or Yamaha action, at least not on their top of the line products. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangsu Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Don't underestimate the power of the individual voice. You of all people shouldn't have to be reminded. At any rate, the infamous Fatar assembly gave me one problem with a couple of contacts that wore out, what I thought was prematurely. A relatively easy repair and it's been fine ever since. I like the action ie. I don't dislike it. I don't actually think about it. And I'm a piano player. I know you have difficulty differentiating between opinion and fact. You should work on that. "........! Try to make It..REAL! compared to what? ! ! ! " - BOPBEEPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Zero Two Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 what happened to the Mod Wheel? I don't get it - only a pitch wheel. If the CP has the Motif XS samples then there have to be one or two sounds that people would like a mod wheel for. I mean when I saw that the new Casio PX had a pitch wheel and no mod wheel I said - ok they didn't have ANY wheel on the prior model but the CP300 had both wheels. Sorry but either add both mod and pitch realtime controllers or don't had either. Oh wait I remember the post about Yamaha wanting to annoy users. Now it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Zero Two Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 And why is having a WOODEN action so important? what's the difference what the keys are made of as long as the action feels great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I love the idea of wooden keys myself, but they inevitably add an appreciable amount of extra weight. I also wonder about the wisdom of having a wooden action on a gigging board, as they are invariably exposed to a very wide range of climatic changes. I don't know what the experience of any Kawai MP8 users is on this - I know there are a few users out there on KC but anyone actually gig with one? I personally like Roland's approach on this - my GX keys feel quite like the "real thing" and are actually plastic, but the plastic below the "ivory-feel" surface is actually tinted to look like wood. Studio: Yamaha P515 | Yamaha Tyros 5 | Yamaha HX1 | Moog Sub 37 Road: Yamaha YC88 | Nord Electro 5D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I know you have difficulty differentiating between opinion and fact. You should work on that. I'll work on that in my copious free time. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Wow...kind of nasty in here today. Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I seem to bring out the best in others. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meisenhower Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I love the idea of wooden keys myself, but they inevitably add an appreciable amount of extra weight. I also wonder about the wisdom of having a wooden action on a gigging board, as they are invariably exposed to a very wide range of climatic changes. I don't know what the experience of any Kawai MP8 users is on this - I know there are a few users out there on KC but anyone actually gig with one? I have the MP9000 (a predecessor to the MP8II), and have gigged with it and it's a beast to move. The action of the Kawai's with the wooden keys are "unmatched" in my opinion and come as close (to date) as an acoustic piano. I never experienced any problems climatically with the Kawai, when it was traveling. It now resides in my studio as my primary controller. That said, the weight and bulk of the keyboard (especially in a road case) makes it impractical for a musician without a road crew to use. I know one cat that is on the road with the MP8II and it has been pretty bulletproof and it plays over 180 dates a year. Yamaha C7 Grand, My Hammonds: '57 B3, '54 C2, '42 BC, '40 D, '05 XK3 Pro System, Kawai MP9000, Fender Rhodes Mk I 73, Yamaha CP33, Motif ES6, Nord Electro 2, Minimoog Voyager & Model D, Korg MS10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Kanker will probably talk about this himself, but he's using the MP8II for local gigs in and around Indianapolis. He hauls it all himself, no crew. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Zero Two Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 There is a local jazz trio - Blur Division - guy uses an MP8II - he loves it and wanted the closest thing to a real piano - but I couldn't imagine moving it around! and I complain about my PC1SE! I thought the sound of the MP8II was just average live. Of course that is a pretty high average these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 There is a local jazz trio - Blur Division - guy uses an MP8II - he loves it and wanted the closest thing to a real piano - but I couldn't imagine moving it around! and I complain about my PC1SE! I thought the sound of the MP8II was just average live. Of course that is a pretty high average these days. The CP300 is only a half kilogram heavier than the MP8II; they're both around 70 pounds. My flight case is very light so the total package is not that bad. The CP1, 5 and 50 are all significantly lighter than the CP300. The CP1, the heaviest of the new pianos from Yamaha, weighs in at 60 pounds. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 The CP300 is only a half kilogram heavier than the MP8II; they're both around 70 pounds. My flight case is very light so the total package is not that bad. The CP1, 5 and 50 are all significantly lighter than the CP300. The CP1, the heaviest of the new pianos from Yamaha, weighs in at 60 pounds. While I appreciate the weight reduction in full-sized KBs, I have no problems with carrying a KB up to 150 lbs including a heavy-duty flight case. For me, it is a small price to pay especially if the stage presence (footprint), sound and feel is right. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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