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Hello bass players. I'm new to this forum, and wanted to introduce myself. I'm Josh, and when I'm not working full time, going to school full time, or being a family man, I play studio sessions and live performances.

 

Now, for the epoxy!! :thu: I am going to convert my Yamaha RBX460 to fretless, and need some advise on how to apply the epoxy to the fingerboard once I'm at that point of the conversion. Its going to be pretty sweet! Once I pull the frets, I'm going to stain the rosewood fingerboard black, install maple perfling dyed red in the fretslots, and have the high gloss epoxy setting it all off!

Josh Senic

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Welcome, Josh! I've never done this before but I'm interested to see how you make out. I seem to remember some discussion about this a couple months ago. You might try using the search feature at the top of the forum and see if you have any luck there. If not, I'm sure there's a ton of info about it on t3h googlez. :) I'm also pretty sure that several others here will chime in with their own experience and advice since I know several of them have defretted instruments.
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Josh, are you good at woodworking? I tried doing what you're doing, and got hung up trying to get a decent coat of finish on the fretboard. I tried spraying, brushing, spreading, etc and it always got gommed up for me.

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Apply it with a nice soft paintbrush, as many coats as you have patience for, and sand the crap out of it between each coat to get it smooth and even. I would use a clear fiberglass resin such as used on surfboards and 'glass boats. It is a (fairly thgick) liquid and will spread nice and evenly. You should be able to find it at your local marine supply store, and if not there, Home Depot/Lowes usually carries a decent grade. Read the instructions carefully when mixing the catalyst, because things like temperature and humidity play a big factor in the ratio and cure time.

(For the record, of the 2 necks I defretted I only got around to epoxying one... my little tidbit of wisdom comes more from commercial fishing and surfing.)

 

Good luck... Oh, and make sure you tape off anything you don't want epoxied real tight... the stuff has a way of getting in places you don't want it.

 

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Josh

 

welcome. I had HG Thor in the states epoxy my fretless neck and it was/is magnificent. www.woodwiz.com. I would recommend him. As for doing it yourself - you do run the risk of ruining your neck!

 

Davo

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Here are some better pictures of my Jazz neck ...

 

http://www.heathette.com/photos/JacoJazz/epoxy1.jpg

 

http://www.heathette.com/photos/JacoJazz/epoxy2.jpg

 

 

http://www.heathette.com/photos/JacoJazz/epoxy3.jpg

 

This will take a bit of explanation. The neck is rested up against a card.

 

Davo

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I bought off eBay a bolt-on Alvarez Fretless, which I have the strong suspicion it was de-fretted by the previous owner (I didn't asked before buying, my bad... anyway it was only $110 :) ) which sounds real good. It seems to have no finish on the fingerboard, maybe just a thin layer of wood sealer.

http://www.juancarlin.com.ve/store/pics/alvareztop.jpg

 

I've been playing with that bass without hassle for a good couple years already. Sounds lovely. Still, I've wondered about applying Epoxy or some kind of material on the fingerboard, since I use old, worn out roundwounds on it, and they tend (although not too much) to leave a "trace" on the fingerboard's wood.

 

Then, a student of mine has this Yamaha RBX5 which he wanted to de-fret (he has a newer Yamaha 5er on his arsenal), and cheked mine "to get some ideas".

So this is how his bass looked like before:

http://www.juancarlin.com.ve/store/pics/carlosgarcia/RBX5old.jpg

The guy took the frets off, sanded both the body and the back of the neck, applied wood sealer with tint to the body, and went to work on the neck. Firstly, he filled the fret's slots with copper wire instead of wood (it was HIS idea, I swear), because that's what he had around. He applied several layers of a thick, concentrated wood sealer, and sanded it. He assembled the bass and brought it to me to check the work and make a setup to it. I loved the work, but by then he had already decided he would sand it over again, and add "some things with aluminum foil".

 

I tried to discourage him to do so, since I didn't understood exactly what he meant with "some things with aluminum foil sticked to the fretboard and...". Whatever, It SOUNDED like a bad idea on the phone. A week later he came back with the bass, and THIS is what I saw:

 

(Click the image link, pic is too big to post here).

http://www.juancarlin.com.ve/store/pics/carlosgarcia/RBX5front.jpg

 

 

http://www.juancarlin.com.ve/store/pics/carlosgarcia/RBX5top.jpg

By the way, this bass sounds real nice!. The guy, however, is worried about the "grooving" (he's also using roundwounds since a) that's what that bass had before the de-fret job and b) Flatwounds are almost impossible to find around here. So he asked me about the Epoxy thing. We found about... none. No hardware stores or wood suppliers had anything like that. We've not checked yet any Marine suppliers, specially since I don't know of any nearby, I figure I'll have to keep looking. His wood sealer layer, however, was thick enough as to make it resistent to, I'd say, flatwounds without much harm. He also plays harder than I do on the fretboard, so that's also a factor to have in mind.

 

Not HG Thor's work, of course.. but I've thought I'd share this with you people. I Loved the work he did, and am pretty much willing to give him my fretless bass's neck for some refinishing work. :)

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Well, it is not exactly a decal.. the guy made the shape in aluminum foil and glued it to the fingerboard somehow, and THEN added several thick layers of the sealer... the pics were taken right after he did the initial sandings, but before following my advice of sanding it with a little oil rubbed on it and with a very very thin sandpaper.

 

Mmmm.. have not tried hobby shops. May be a good try. :) Thanks for the advice!

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I can't wait for the pictures. Do keep us posted. I want to see that dark/black stain with the red fretlines. That sounds like it'll look SICK!

 

Yeah, I think so too! This bass has a really great red dye over a figured maple top with black and gold hardware. I've done a lot of modification to this bass already, and this will push it over the line to be a truly custom piece. I can't wait until its done. :D

Josh Senic

Session Bassist

Pocket Grooves

Laying Down The Low End

http://www.wix.com/pocketgroovesgso/official

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Here are some better pictures of my Jazz neck ...

 

http://www.heathette.com/photos/JacoJazz/epoxy1.jpg

 

http://www.heathette.com/photos/JacoJazz/epoxy2.jpg

 

 

http://www.heathette.com/photos/JacoJazz/epoxy3.jpg

 

This will take a bit of explanation. The neck is rested up against a card.

 

Davo

 

I remember looking at these pics on that website. Too cool man! 8)

Josh Senic

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Pocket Grooves

Laying Down The Low End

http://www.wix.com/pocketgroovesgso/official

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