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Project: Fretless fishy - UPDATE


rizzo9247

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After Moot's Jay Tursor fretless project, the creative juices were stirred up inside and I decided on modding a beater bass. I sold some crap around the house (both musical and non-musical items) on craigslist/ebay and have a nice $270 budget to work with.

 

I was thinking about buying one of them there Squier puppies, but modding costs would be rather high after the bass purchase.

 

So I decided my starting point would be this, from Rondo Music:

 

Ok, that was $115 with shipping (should be here next week).

 

$ 270

-$115

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$155

 

 

Bridge:

Fender P-Bass Vintage Bridge

 

$155

-$35

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$120

 

Pickup:

a Fender Original 62 P-Bass Pickup

 

$120

-$75

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$45

 

Tuners:

Hipshot HB3 Tuners

 

$ 45

-$88

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$43

 

 

 

OK, I'm over budget a bit, but a Stew-Mac Wiring Kit, Fender P-Bass Vintage Bridge Cover, and a sticker might be in order.

 

I am excited! :D

 

 

 

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I bought a bass of Ebay that looks just like that and got it for $10. I had a neck from Rondo that I put on it. It didn't really sound that bad (I admit that I am not a tone freak) and didn't feel bad either.

 

I think I am going to install that Audere pre amp that I have (for sale, still, see sticky classified thread).

 

I gigged with it when I needed a bass that was in non-standard tuning. It was faster to switch basses than to re-tune.

 

Oops...just read where you already bought that one.....sorry

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I bought a bass of Ebay that looks just like that and got it for $10.

TEN DOLLARS!?!?!? :o:mad::cry:

 

tee-hee-hee . . .

 

Go Rizz!!

I hope with your $100 bass you don't get a 2x4 where the neck should be.

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I dunno. Asking for advice after the Brown Truck has been summoned is going bass ackwards. I'd have lobbied hard for a J-bass or P-J, and for a five string done up with a high C. IMHO, fretless benefits greatly from both.

 

How good are you with a router? Since you likely won't be slapping on a fretless, would a tighter string spacing work for you? I turned a fretless four into a five, and it's been one of my primary basses for more than half a decade.

 

 

Things are just the way they are, and they're only going to get worse.

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I hear what your sayin' PK, a fretless 4 string P-bass is kind of pedestrian, but I wanted a P (and in that particular color) because eventually this fretless neck will be swapped with a fretted maple for that thumpy goodness, and I will always have that fretless neck to throw back on as I see fit.

 

Edit: No Routing for me. I mess up tying my shoelaces 2/7 times.

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I have played a fretless 2x4 P bass. There is photographic evidence. It was surprisingly good.

 

Peace.

--SW

 

You're surprisingly good.

 

Wait . . Huh?

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I keep editing my initial post as I decided on most of the modifications, but I keep going back to the pickup. As with most things, you hate to buy one that you never tried. I did however have SD Quarter Pounders in my Peavey bass a while back and thought they were fantastic. Maybe I'll go that route.

 

Also, after our bridge shootout, is the Badass bridge really worth double of the vintage Fender bridge? Probably not.

 

Tuner's might come down the road, I need to dig out my soldering iron, bass comes manana.

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I've got a SD Vintage pickup in a P clone and I'm very happy with it.

 

If you want the bass to sound like a classic, don't put the Badass on it. There's nothing wrong with a Fender bridge.

 

Don't change the tuners unless you have a problem with the ones on the bass.

 

The Audere preamp that fingertalkin is selling would be a nice addition to the bass.

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I'd even say don't change the bridge unless, once everything is well put in, you find it necessary to do so. same as with the tuners, and probably with the pickups until you have it modded and sounding, then you' ll be able to assess what changes should go first.

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Don't go changing, to try and please me

You never let me down before

Don't imagine you're too familiar

And I don't see you anymore

I wouldn't leave you in times of trouble

We never could have come this far

I took the good times, I'll take the bad times

I'll take you just the way you are

 

Things are just the way they are, and they're only going to get worse.

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I hear what your sayin' PK, a fretless 4 string P-bass is kind of pedestrian, ....

 

A fretless P is pedestrian? Then it would work great for walking lines then? :D

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I've got a SD Vintage pickup in a P clone and I'm very happy with it.

 

If you want the bass to sound like a classic, don't put the Badass on it. There's nothing wrong with a Fender bridge.

 

I would add one caveat to this statement. I recently got a Mexican Fender 50's P-Bass with the stock Fender bridge. I put some LaBella flat's on it and actually had quite a hard time getting the E string properly intonated. The bridge saddle didn't have enough range to get the E string intonated, so I switched to a Badass II bridge. That at least solved my intonation issues.

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Ok, bass arrived yesterday. I am charging the battery on my digital camera so pics should be here soon enough.

 

Pros:

-Beautiful color that lake placid blue, has a slight sparkle to it.

 

-Rosewood board looks very dry, but is straight and no "buzzing" on the fret lines.

 

- Tuners work well.

 

-Came equipped with flats. Since they use D'Addario for their stock instruments, I imagine they are the Chrome Flats (black silk anyone?)

 

-Feels solid and sounds pretty good.

 

Cons:

-I stripped all the screws that I touched. Whether it was lowering the pickups or inotating the bridge, a few turns and bam, done. Looks like el cheapo metal.

 

-Electronics. As Chevy Chase would say in Caddy Shack, "You're not good, you stink." Not that it sounds bad, but tone control has no little to no effect on the sound, just increases the electrical hum as the knob is turned.

 

-The nut was glued slightly off the fretboard, but the string slots were cut perfectly for equal distance between the strings and the edge of the board (maybe cut after the nut was installed?)

 

All said and done, for $99, This is a decent entry level fretless. While the Squier VM fretless is definitely more playable "out-of-the-box", I don't think it blows the SX out of the water, especially for 1/3 the price.

 

Looks like I'm going with new pickups, pots, and a bridge as I suspected, but nothing that has to be done immediately to make this a player, she is fine to screw around with in the house without being embarrassed to show your instrument-snob friends ;)

 

Pics soon, I promise...

 

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How do it play?

It feels solid, plays well, and sounds eh, mostly due to the weak pickup and perhaps flimsy bridge.

 

How thick is the neck?

Chunky. I'm used to fivers, so the neck is not so bad, but I will have to get used to the wider string spacing.

 

Interesting note, the width at the nut is wider than a Fender Standard P.

 

SX = 42.8625 mm (1 11/16 inches)

 

Fender = 41.3 mm (1.625 inches)

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Update.

 

SX Fretless - $99

 

TI Flats - already had a set

 

SD Quarter Pounder's - $64

(not the SD vintage, or Fender '62 pickup as originally planned, long story...)

 

Vintage Fender Bridge - $30

 

New wiring/pots/knobs from Stew-Mac - $20

 

Owning a badass fretless fish - Priceless.

 

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Congrats! Looks like a great fish. After I got my fretless around a year ago my love of music was completely reinvigorated. It's my main fishy now! I hope you don't mind the phenomenon of spending hours that feel like minutes just noodling with it, then looking at the clock to see it's 3 A.M. :)
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Update.

 

SX Fretless - $99

 

TI Flats - already had a set

 

SD Quarter Pounder's - $64

(not the SD vintage, or Fender '62 pickup as originally planned, long story...)

 

Vintage Fender Bridge - $30

 

New wiring/pots/knobs from Stew-Mac - $20

 

Owning a badass fretless fish - Priceless.

 

Congrats on the new modded fish! Not a bad tally pricewise for a fretless. Might I suggest a black laminated pickguard. White is kind of bland and tortoise looks best on sunburst or natural.

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