Bejeeber Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 YOW - that Alvino Ray YouTube video somehow led me to this one. I hate to admit it, but if I were to just hear a recording of this, I don't know that I would've identified the guitar as being a stratocaster. This is just twangier than 19.7 mofos! (and as far as the TV show it's from - man what kind of warped parallel universe was that anyway??) YouTube - TwangDawg strat amidst chandeliers Just a pinch between the geek and chum
Caevan O'Shite Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Well, I'd say maybe twangier than 19.6 mofos, myself. (I c'n take 'im!) Dig the organ player, too, with the maxed-out Leslie and the happenin' volume-pedal action! Not to mention the ghostly voiced vocal-babes just slathered with washing waves of reverb! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _
Rampdog Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Looks like he chose the middle pickup for that too... I would have thought it was the bridge pickup by listening... Cool old vid... If it ain't fun...why do it...? http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=778394&content=music
picker Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 Well then, dig Oh, the choreography just absolutely makes the whole song for me. How in the world did the Chantays ever get on the Lawrence Welk Show? That show really was an alternate universe! Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
Caevan O'Shite Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 Well then, dig Oh, the choreography just absolutely makes the whole song for me. How in the world did the Chantays ever get on the Lawrence Welk Show? That show really was an alternate universe! That's a lot of reverb, wouldn't you say? Seriously, that is some WET spring-reverb all over the place! Talk about splashy and drippy, in a good way! Nice rendition of the tune, too, even if the stiff choreography action makes me wince as a fellow animal of the Caucasian persuasion... Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _
Rampdog Posted September 1, 2008 Posted September 1, 2008 Here... Add this to your Fender Holiday.... If it ain't fun...why do it...? http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=778394&content=music
Bejeeber Posted September 1, 2008 Author Posted September 1, 2008 Well then, dig .. the Chantays.... I can't take it anymore! HOW on earth did Lawrence Welk get everyone to be so incredibly stiff and uncomfortable looking on his show with the plastic smiles and intermittent nervous sideways glances?? Was he pointing a gun on them off camera, or did his fabulous "charisma" just rub off on them? Just a pinch between the geek and chum
Bejeeber Posted September 1, 2008 Author Posted September 1, 2008 Here... Add this to your Fender Holiday.... That feeling the Ventures convey there of "getting down" live doesn't surprise me from them, ever since I heard a 1965 live Japanese concert recording where they did surprise me with their deep, practically raunchy mojo that I haven't heard from their studio cuts (not that I've listened to many). Just a pinch between the geek and chum
Danzilla Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Well then, dig Oh, the choreography just absolutely makes the whole song for me. How in the world did the Chantays ever get on the Lawrence Welk Show? That show really was an alternate universe! That's a lot of reverb, wouldn't you say? Seriously, that is some WET spring-reverb all over the place! Talk about splashy and drippy, in a good way! Nice rendition of the tune, too, even if the stiff choreography action makes me wince as a fellow animal of the Caucasian persuasion... I think they stole those moves form the New Main Street Singers. "Am I enough of a freak to be worth paying to see?"- Separated Out (Marillion) NEW band Old band
fantasticsound Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 ...That's a lot of reverb, wouldn't you say? Seriously, that is some WET spring-reverb all over the place! Talk about splashy and drippy, in a good way! Nice rendition of the tune, too, even if the stiff choreography action makes me wince as a fellow animal of the Caucasian persuasion... Uh... not spring reverb, methinks! First, that reverb is on everything. I don't know the vintage of this clip but I'd venture a reverb that smooth at that time is from a reverb chamber. It doesn't sound, to me, like an EMT 140 plate reverb although it could be. They've been around since 1957. There have been "studio" spring reverbs and some of them were rather impressive, but they couldn't pull off this sound without audible artifacts. Very cool sound considering the age of the source! It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd
53 Strat Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Back then many of the engineers would not let us use the spring reverb, they perfered a reverb chamber and being just young punks at the time we didn't know that we could "tell" the engineer what we wanted. In some cases we didn't have a producer to stand up for us so we did whatever the engineer told us. I think I had recorded at the same studio that Pipeline was recorded at and had to use the chamber. We were just dumd kids, first or second time in a studio and paying our own way so usually we had only an hour to get 2 sides done so there was no time to argue with the engineer, besides he was the "professional" so whats to argue. JMPRO
53 Strat Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 That Strat from the Welk clip looks like one of the anodidized alum pick guard ones that Leo liked to make. He perfered the alum to plastic because of the shielding effect. Most of the ones he made with that pick gaurd went to special people but many changed them out to plastic because the alum would turn your hands black after a while. My old Strat had an alum p/g on it at one time.....long, long, long ago JMPRO
Guitar Slinger Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Here... Add this to your Fender Holiday.... Damn! I had no clue The Ventures rocked so hard live. Those guys can all really play. Rampdog I'm blogging this tomorrow, I'll give you the nod for pointing it out. My Blog about playing in a live band My MySpace
Caevan O'Shite Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Hmmmnn... Seriously, and not to be argumentative here, just kickin' the ball around some and sniffing the corks on bottles of vintage reverb and comparing thoughts- in that Chantays/Lawrence Welk "Pipeline" vid, don't you think that sounds like a spring reverb being driven by the guitar being played by Brian Carmine (sp?), the guy that's in-between the other guitarist and the bassist? The way it's so splashy on the attack when he digs in? And it's noticeably more reverberated than the other instruments, listen to it when he's playing the main signature-riff while the keyboard comes up, it's much more 'verbed... ?? Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _
fantasticsound Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Actually, no K. The verb sounds pretty constant between all the instruments to me. If the lead has his reverb tank running I'd wager it was barely audible to anyone but him. There is, however, a tremelo effect on the guitar. (Yeah, yeah... I know. Leo f***ed it up and labeled his tremelo amp circuit "vibrato" and called the vibrato bridges on his guitars "tremelo" bridges.) Point is, I definitely hear the tremelo on the guitar but not additional reverb. I'd wager the studio engineers demanded the reverb be turned off given the ridiculous amount of reverb they added to the entire mix. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd
Bejeeber Posted September 3, 2008 Author Posted September 3, 2008 I think I had recorded at the same studio that Pipeline was recorded at and had to use the chamber. JMPRO You say that like it was a bad thing (!!), but I have to say I would sooooo love to have a nice actual chamber for reverb, so rare now in this digital/home recording age. Just a pinch between the geek and chum
Caevan O'Shite Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Actually, no K. The verb sounds pretty constant between all the instruments to me. If the lead has his reverb tank running I'd wager it was barely audible to anyone but him. There is, however, a tremelo effect on the guitar. (Yeah, yeah... I know. Leo f***ed it up and labeled his tremelo amp circuit "vibrato" and called the vibrato bridges on his guitars "tremelo" bridges.) Point is, I definitely hear the tremelo on the guitar but not additional reverb. I'd wager the studio engineers demanded the reverb be turned off given the ridiculous amount of reverb they added to the entire mix. Are we talking about the same clip? I was talking about the one that Picker posted a link to, with the Chantays doing "Pipeline" with two Strats, a Fender Bass, a keyboard, and a drummer... The only tremolo I heard was on the one Bejeeber posted a link to with the guy on a Strat playing "Ghost Riders" along with a rather large ensemble that included back-up vocalists and an organ, probably all Lawrence Welk's crew... And, yeah, everything's quite awash in reverberation on that clip of "Ghost Riders"! Albeit a smoother, more polite 'verb than the aforementioned splishty-sproingk that I'm hearing on the thematic-riffery of "Pipeline"... I think I had recorded at the same studio that Pipeline was recorded at and had to use the chamber. JMPRO You say that like it was a bad thing (!!), but I have to say I would sooooo love to have a nice actual chamber for reverb, so rare now in this digital/home recording age. You could make one... Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _
BadLife Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Well on the Chantays they are not plugged in so it must be a studio cut they are using. Neil LeVang does at least have a cord plugged into his guitar. And then Ventures are live.
BadLife Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Actually come to think of it I can get that sound from my 70ish Fender Vibrolux Reverb but it does have tend to feed back if the reverb is maxed out. I keep playing around with the tubes to see if I can get it to behave itself but so far not luck.
BadLife Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Just fired up the Fender to see if I still remember how to play any of those songs and the Vibrato Reverb channel blew a tube. I think its the reverb preamp. Already asked Myles and emailed my amp tech. Hope its a bad tube. I just had it retubed and respeced to blackface for the Vibrato/Reverb channel and brownface for the other channel. The regular channel still works fine
Bejeeber Posted September 3, 2008 Author Posted September 3, 2008 Just fired up the Fender to see if I still remember how to play any of those songs and the Vibrato Reverb channel blew a tube. I knew this thread was going to cause trouble! Just a pinch between the geek and chum
Bejeeber Posted September 3, 2008 Author Posted September 3, 2008 ...I have to say I would sooooo love to have a nice actual chamber for reverb... You could make one... Funny you should say that, but just ask FantasticSound Neil - I already have a concrete space that be could be SHWEEEET chamber! Danged if it isn't needed for storage though! Just a pinch between the geek and chum
BadLife Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Thats OK stuff happens. Being the reckless and foolhardy idiot that I am I just shoved in one of the old tubes and let her rip. Hasn't blown yet but I think I'll wait for some insight form someone who knows more about it than me. Sheesh I forgot what a loud little bugger that amp is. And who in there right mind would ever use that treble boost switch I have to turn the treble down as it is
BadLife Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Myles indicated that the tube probably lost vacuum as it was white at the pointy end and black on the tip. I will try to grab a few at GC if I get by there tomorrow. In the meantime it sounds great with the old tube.
fantasticsound Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 ...Are we talking about the same clip?... Doh! No, we are not talking about the same clip! Sorry, K! My bad! ...I have to say I would sooooo love to have a nice actual chamber for reverb... You could make one... Funny you should say that, but just ask FantasticSound Neil - I already have a concrete space that be could be SHWEEEET chamber! Danged if it isn't needed for storage though! No doubt! And as small as it is I think it would be perfect for that overblown reverb so popular in the 1960's! I also mentioned to Matt my company has an almost identical reverb chamber. When we remodeled the office a few years ago we emptied the vault. Some company that inhabited the space before us installed a 10'x10', concrete and cinderblock vault with a really odd ceiling and a heavy steel door. The flutter echo from the near perfect square floor plan is horrible though! It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd
Caevan O'Shite Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 "Well on the Chantays they are not plugged in so it must be a studio cut they are using." Hmmmmmnn; Actually, I think that they are plugged in, with cables trailing off behind them (and going under the riser behind them, perhaps?). It's iffy, due to the image quality on this copy of a copy from God knows where; I went full-screen, and it looks like there are cables winking in and out of resolution there behind 'em. There's something plugged into the output-jacks of the guitars and bass there... There're some more clearly visible under the keyboard. My guess is that they remote-mic'ed the guitar amps (maybe the bass-amp, as well), so as to get less bleed-through in the drum-mics (mic?) and spare their studio-audience the doubtless disastrous onslaught unleashed by their Fender combos... " ...I can get that sound from my 70ish Fender Vibrolux Reverb but it does have tend to feed back if the reverb is maxed out. I keep playing around with the tubes to see if I can get it to behave itself but so far not luck." What sort of feedback? The whistly-squeally parasitic-oscillation variety, or a rumbly, wolfy acoustic feedback sort thing? Maybe a cap involved with one of the reverb-circuit's tubes is funky, or maybe there could be a bad solder-joint in that neighborhood? " Just fired up the Fender to see if I still remember how to play any of those songs and the Vibrato Reverb channel blew a tube. I think its the reverb preamp. Already asked Myles and emailed my amp tech. Hope its a bad tube. I just had it retubed and respeced to blackface for the Vibrato/Reverb channel and brownface for the other channel. The regular channel still works fine " Sorry that happened to your amp 'n' yourself; that's a cool idea, having "brown" and "black" pre's on there! "I knew this thread was going to cause trouble! " Don'tcha knowitt! These yout's 'n' their raucous rocky-rolly noise! Trouble always comes of it! ...I have to say I would sooooo love to have a nice actual chamber for reverb... "You could make one... " "Funny you should say that, but just ask FantasticSound Neil - I already have a concrete space that be could be SHWEEEET chamber! Danged if it isn't needed for storage though! " Aaaaah, you see items in "storage", where I see "adjustable damping components"... "...Are we talking about the same clip?..." "Doh! No, we are not talking about the same clip! Sorry, K! My bad! " 'And now, for something completely different...' Nothing to be sorry about, and no bad! No harm, no foul- we were both right! I guess that "spluttery" might be the best way that I could describe the sound of the 'verb on the one guitar there; and, besides, my initial comment was said jokingly, anyways... being as dripping-wet, heavy-handed spring-reverb is such a hallmark of the "Surf" genre... and a luscious hallmark, at that! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _
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