linwood Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Yea Carlo, that was great. I really like both DH and SK's Where or When. Steve, not 10 minutes ago my Dad was here. He's 84 now and lives just around the corner from me. He's just a few houses away. I brought him upstairs and played him some of your stuff that I have. When I told him who it was, his face lit up. He was listening to that one mp3 of you doing the long intro at some live gig you did and he looks over at me and says, "He's as good as anyone I've ever wanted to hear." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 Linwood, I'm floored when you tell me your dad remembers me. Please tell him "Hi" and a big "thank you". I remember him being a terrific person. It's great that you two live so close and can do things together. And thanks for telling me. Carlo, thank you, and I really enjoyed your "All Of You." Very original approach (as always) and I loved the ending. I always like when songs end somewhere in the middle of an extended melody. And no apologies necessary for "fusiony" sections, especially after my cacophonic tribute to fusion on the other page. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Wow ... both versions very different and, I really hate to say this, inspirational. As I'm listening I doing my very best to analyse the changes and at the same time thinking, why didn't I approach the tune like that. This is an eye opener. Thanks! Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 Cool rendition, Dave F! Almost a touch of Ives in there. I might try a more extreme one on W Or W soon, for the fun of it. at the same time thinking, why didn't I approach the tune like that. I don't think any of us could approach these songs the same way, even if we tried, which is why it's cool to compare. We can do multiple versions of the same song too, when you have different ideas. Any good rendition stands on its own merits, regardless of how complex or simple. Your good version of "Where Or When' opened the door to us wanting to try new things on it. I'm sure you'll pull out more tunes I hadn't considered before. Your playing has a relaxed sense of order and an intelligent perspective. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 Ok, here's 'Where Or When'... again. Not the full treatment I wanted to give it, but it's kind of dark/different. http://www.divshare.com/download/4563880-8bf Sadly, I encountered a loud electronic buzz on the track and had to EQ it out. So the fidelity sounds murky. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 I wanted to do more with the vamp, but I had this awful buzz on one channel so I cut it short. I might redo it later, or just stick the intro on something else. Thanks Dave. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 SK, Where or When Again ... excellent! The intro certainly got my attention. Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Steve, this new version is fantastic! I'd love to hear more of the vamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 OK, here's my version of All of You. This is not a very creative version, it would be something in the manner I would play on a cocktail job - very mildly reharmonized. (This was the third take - the first one was exactly what I wanted but there was an electrical glitch on playback which marred it.) http://members.home.nl/davehorne/mp3/AllOfYou.mp3 Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 Nice playing, DH. Being musical is more important than just being artsy/craftsy "creative", as you well know. "All Of You" is a great song, but I can't do a version of it. After hearing the local faculty at the VCU jazz department do it so often, like their jazz national anthem, I developed a mental block to it. I need a cure at reharm rehab. BTW, I won't play that last weird version of "Where Or When" again or on a solo gig. (I wouldn't want to reharm myself into an early retirement.) It was just a one time thing to change its character for this thread - like "W Or W" on Halloween, in a mask. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I'm headed off to Alaska tomorrow on vacation, I thought I'd be stopping in Anchorage on the cruise and MidLifeCrisis and I had planned to hook up for a beer. Unfortunately I was looking at the wrong web page, my wife booked the cruise and we are only going as far north as Juneau, MidLife and I put in a rain check for the beer. That being said, I'll try to get to the piano to put up my 'All the Things You Are' Re-Harm. It's still a little vague sounding but I will try to record it anyway after packing tonight if time allows. One other thing... I was listening to WKCR the other night and on the Musicians-Show they had a bassist who's name I can't pull out right now, he was Spanish. Anyway he played a Red Mitchell / Kenny Barron track from a 1986 album 'The Red Barron Duo' on the Storyville label. I really would love this CD for specific personal musical reasons, it's really a beauty, but I can only find a used copy for sale on a European Jazz CD site. Shipping would be alot, I may just bite but I'd thought I ask around. It's just what I need right now for inspiration, it was recorded at Red Mitchell's house in Holland in his living room. Anyway I thought this might be a good place to post this again and if anybody has a line on this recording or knows of someone who does or might, I'd be very willing to pay postage, materials and then some for a copy. I believe the track I had heard was the tune 'Namely You' (Gene DePaul, Johnny Mercer). Anyway Bon Voyage all! http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/pop_albums/4/4/p/c44182g0pp0.jpg Red Barron Duo Cd track recording samples . . . Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Ok I finally got around to this. My playing is a little hesitant on the takes because I haven't played it enough. I also have to figure out all the voicings and I really have to develop the habit of writing my ideas out in notation. "All The Things You Are": Re-Harms. . . 'All Things' - Take #1 'All Things' - Take #2 (this was actually my 1st take) Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 That's cool, LB. Reminds me, I used to go hear Red Mitchell with Tommy Flanagan many, many times at the old Bradley's in NY. Always great, and they knew a million songs. I have a gig, but I'll look forward to your ATTYA tonight when I get home. Thanks for posting it. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 SK, Tommy Flanagan was a beautiful player wasn't he. Funny we had the same accountant. A year or so before he passed my accountant gave me the CD Tommy gave to him, his last one. I'm not that familiar with Red Mitchell's playing but I like what I heard on the Red Barron CD. I haven't really been listening to Kenny lately though. I was listening to him alot about 12 years ago and went down to Fat Tuesdays when it was still open. My wife and I sat right behind him, he played with little bandaids on about 6 finger tips. But the Red Barron Duo really got me going and I really related to Barron's playing on it. lb Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 I loved Tommy Flanagan's playing. He always had a spark of youth and humor to the bebop style he played. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I saw Tommy Flanagan perform in a small restaurant\club in NYC about 15 years ago. He played very well and for him I'm sure it was just another job. I remember thinking at that time, I couldn't play at the level he was playing, but I knew what he was playing. That made me feel good. (I can't listen to anything without trying to figure it out in my head.) Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 Then you probably saw him at Bradley's too, that small restaurant/club where he played regular weekends for years. I remember thinking at that time, I couldn't play at the level he was playing, but I knew what he was playing. That made me feel good. You just hit on something there. I remember that too, that his playing was always accessible and comprehensible... easy to hear... yet practically impossible for anyone to duplicate. He had a personality or unique spark in his style, which I used to analyze while listening to him. He was playing older music, but he always sounded fresh and lively, and I wanted to understand how he achieved it. I finally decided there is no answer, unless you're Tommy Flanagan, because he wasn't doing anything that any good bop player couldn't do. (I can't listen to anything without trying to figure it out in my head.)Ditto. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I'm working on The Nearness Of You by Hoagy Carmichael. I'll post that here in a few days. I have an idea for this thread - let's all take a simple, really stupid tune and see what we can do with it. (I don't why but The Doors just popped into my head.) I sometimes will do this just for fun. Another idea - let's give a classical treatment to a regular tune. I've worked up a few quasi arrangements of tunes and I'll eventually post them here. Later .... Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Tatum Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I have an idea for this thread - let's all take a simple, really stupid tune and see what we can do with it. (I don't why but The Doors just popped into my head.) I sometimes will do this just for fun. I like that idea, and I have also done that. Sort of a Bartok-ian approach (that's a stretch, I know) How about Mister Sandman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 I'm up for the idea, Dave. A list of possible tunes or one specific suggestion for a "dumb tune" would be helpful. Or just post one of your versions to start it off. You mentioned The Doors, so my first idea is "Hello, I Love You, Won't You Tell Me Your Name?" Same goes for a classical rendition - name one or post an example. I'll have to abstain from "Mr. Sandman", as it was already included it in that "bossaquarium." Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 LB, your ATTYA was unique and pretty. Interesting how the expanded voicings (to 13th's, etc.) placed the melody inside of the chords, which gave it a delicate, almost Satie-like quality. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I have an idea for this thread - let's all take a simple, really stupid tune and see what we can do with it. (I don't why but The Doors just popped into my head.) I sometimes will do this just for fun. Actually, I have done that several times with my students, to demonstrate the power of jazz harmony. I usually take some silly melodic Italian song, give it some kind of Bill Evans treatment, and 99% of times, the students will study their harmony much more diligently from that moment on. They go, "Ooohh... please teach me that!" I'm interested in any challenge, as long as I find a little time to do it. Another idea - let's give a classical treatment to a regular tune. I've worked up a few quasi arrangements of tunes and I'll eventually post them here. Please do. Also see "Lucy in the Sky with Bartok", posted earlier in the thread. Since there seems a recent trend in the thread to post non-reharmonized songs (no reharm in the reharm room? ), here are some rather gratuitous, free-time meanderings around Horace Silver's "Peace". Not really worthy, but that's what I played tonight, so here it is. around Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 Yeah, beautiful meanderings on "Peace", Carlo. Really enjoyed it. One fast double time line in particular (almost 2/3rds of the way through) caught my ear because of the different paths it followed. And ANOTHER song I'd forgotten about! Thanks for sharing that. That made me recall Bill Evans' old song "Turn Out The Stars." I ran through it just now. Since it's so definitively Evans and another era, I may not do a version, but what a masterpiece. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Great playing on Peace, Carlo! I have to confess not knowing that tune. I'll have to give that tune a look as I always enjoyed Horace Silver. My very first record copy was Song For My Father. Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Thanks everybody. It was really just late-night wandering, trying to remember the changes. That made me recall Bill Evans' old song "Turn Out The Stars." I ran through it just now. Since it's so definitively Evans and another era, I may not do a version, but what a masterpiece. "Turn out the Stars" is one of my absolute favorite songs of all time. You're right, it's so Evans that it's difficult to conceive a personal version. Now that you mentioned it, though, I might try one in a few days. Dave F. - I never heard of Stefano Ferretti. I'll try to visit his MySpace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I just knocked off two more tunes - The Blue Room in a more classical setting and The Nearness of You. I first learned The Queerness of You when I was 17 or so working with older guys. (No, no, no ....) I was forced to learn their tunes and fortunately they had good taste. I shudder to think what changes I used 40 years ago. I'm really creating these ditties for my web site and am killing two birds by posting them here as well. Enjoy. http://members.home.nl/davehorne/mp3.htm Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 Blue Room. Always was a charming, old tune. I was waiting for your ending to be: http://www.divshare.com/download/4591316-1c6 (Da' Classics) Smooth version of The Queerness/Nearness Of You. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Quote No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 "Live" version added above. Quote CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 The Blue Room in a more classical setting Ha ha! Blue Room as played by Haydn... great. Here's Bewitched in the same fashion. Great style on Nearness too, Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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