not coaster MODERATOR Posted November 6, 2001 Share Posted November 6, 2001 Sadly there's no sign of the VOX Valvetronix on the horizon as it still needs UL testing. Sept 11 delays. I must begin tracking guitars so POD's the next game in town. My understanding is that the internal processing on the rack is 24bit vs 16 on the bean. In your opinion is the difference notable and worth extra $250 ? For anybody.. Post up "tricks" you've discovered to improve tone of POD. And please no TUBE vs POD wars here. Only constructive advice. I intend to layer POD with tube amp as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted November 6, 2001 Share Posted November 6, 2001 Actually I think you've already answered your question about improving the tone of POD. Used in conjunction with tube amp tracks, its a great tool for adding a little shimmer or different colors. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masternfool Posted November 6, 2001 Share Posted November 6, 2001 Only thing I have noticed is the "active pickups" bring out a lot more flavor....or is it FLAVA...best Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted November 6, 2001 Share Posted November 6, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by Cereal: [b]My understanding is that the internal processing on the rack is 24bit vs 16 on the bean. In your opinion is the difference notable and worth extra $250 ? [/b][/quote] Well... actually the main differences are in the connectivity. The PRO offers a lot more than the "bean" in that field. I have not seen mentioned -not even at Line 6 site- the difference between internal resolution. Perhaps the difference is in the resolution of the digital outputs, compared to the 16 bit DAC converters on the "bean". Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted November 6, 2001 Share Posted November 6, 2001 Hey Cereal: I don't really consider the effects in the POD's to be all that BAD, per se, but they're not going to beat out dedicated effects, so that should pretty much be a non-issue. The main difference, as Gus said, is the connections, and your setup and finances should determine which one you want to get. I have a "bean" POD, and a J Station. The POD has the better models for the most part, but there's some pretty good ones on the J Station as well, and a couple of good bass amp models. J Stations are cheap now - with the $$$ you save by getting a "bean" POD, you can also get a J Station for even more tone options and still pocket about $100 off the price of the rack POD. The J Station has a S/PDIF (44.1 KHz only) digi out, as well as better effects than the Pod has. I also have a few old Fender amps, and I definitely agree on the "pod + mic'ed amps" approach. Best of luck with your project! Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html Email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted November 7, 2001 Share Posted November 7, 2001 <> YES!! The two work great together. In fact, I'm writing an article for EQ on using multiple devices to obtain really cool sounds. BTW the rack model does have better internal resolution. This shows up most on long decay tails and such. I don't have one, but it sounds good. Don't forget to make sure the bean POD has been upgraded to 2.0. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSanders Posted November 7, 2001 Share Posted November 7, 2001 I like the portability of the bean. Sounds great going to amp with Joe Bardon pickups. They nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odo-Riffus Posted November 7, 2001 Share Posted November 7, 2001 This is going to sound strange but I love the sound of the Bean POD through the converters of my Ensoniq Paris DAW. I think this is why I haven't upgraded my spud to the Pro version. I am not a big fan of the Pods effects but they are servicable. Odo-Riffus Productions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not coaster MODERATOR Posted November 7, 2001 Author Share Posted November 7, 2001 Phil- Do you use J-Station / POD / and Tube amps at the same time or layer separate takes? If you do use at the same time, I would lean towards the rack to gain the unprocessed out which could feed a live amp. what is your signal path? Does anybody print the POD with internal effects, I kind of like the built in verb. or O/B effects such as Intellifex, etc.... AND what about O/B compression, mic pres etc? Who frontloads with a drive pedal? Lots of questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted November 7, 2001 Share Posted November 7, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by Cereal: [b]Phil- Do you use J-Station / POD / and Tube amps at the same time or layer separate takes? If you do use at the same time, I would lean towards the rack to gain the unprocessed out which could feed a live amp. what is your signal path?[/b] Well, I don't want to give away all of what Craig's probably going to put in his article, and I can't write like he does, but here's a cool little trick. Use your usual stompboxes or whatever (I'm using a Digitech RP6). Take the stereo outs of that device and feed one side into the POD and the other into the J Station. If, for example, you're using a compression and a chorus pedal, you'll get compression into the chorus and one side of the chorus into the POD and the other into the J Station. Call up a different model type on each box - say a crunch type tone on the J Station and a cleaner tone on the POD. Then you can add DIFFERENT effects with each Amp Sim - say a delay on the J Station and a tremolo on the POD. Remember, each is going to be getting 1/2 of the chorus effect already. Now take both units' stereo outs and feed them either into a stereo bus to two tracks and blend as desired and track on to two tracks, or if you're like me and have plenty of tracks, print it to four individual tracks so you can adjust the blend later at mixdown. Yum! MASSIVE tone! The new GENX Digitech's do something similar in one box, but without the multi-layered effects approach. I'd usually then do a additional part with an amp / mics as a additional layer, although you may feel that this isn't necessary. [b] anybody print the POD with internal effects, I kind of like the built in verb. or O/B effects such as Intellifex, etc.... AND what about O/B compression, mic pres etc? Who frontloads with a drive pedal? Lots of questions.[/b] That's okay! I normally don't print reverb - I prefer to save that until the mix. But to me, things like flange, chorus and distortion are a part of the "guitar tone" and I usually will print those. I normally don't feed a distortion pedal in front, but you may like that tone. Experiment! But I almost always use a compressor if I'm after that tone - as a stompbox or onboard the POD or J Station, and rarely use a outboard compressor when recording electric guitars. Occasionally with acoustics or clean electrics, but almost never with crunchy parts - they're usually compressed enough as is. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html pokeefe777@msn.com [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperator Posted November 7, 2001 Share Posted November 7, 2001 Pod Pro. All the inputs and outputs are worth the money if you want to use it in a studio situaton. Reamplifying etc. Run other mix sounds thru it. It would take a lot of units to duplicate all the inputs and outputs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fehl Posted November 7, 2001 Share Posted November 7, 2001 I am very pleased with my Pod Pro through a tube or solid state amp into a real cabinet & miked. I turn off the cabinet simulator and use a real 2x12 cab, not the line6 or tech21 high-fi types. I am probably going to pick up a Carvin Legacy 2x12 cab for a little over $300. Comes with Vintage 30s and you can remove the back to convert from closed to open. You can even remove one speaker, send it back for credit to Carvin, and replace it with something else for added versatility. That set up will give you a broad range of tones without the so-so cab simulation of the POD. Total cost would be about $1000 w/ a MosValve SS amp. If you really want a tube amp, check out the Mesa 20/20 for a couple of hundred more. BTW: the AT 4047 on GTR cabs is yummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Tufnel Posted November 8, 2001 Share Posted November 8, 2001 I've had a bean POD for a couple of years now and one of the best ways to spiff up the sound is to plug your guitar into something like an ART tube preamp and plug the line out from that into the POD's input. Just don't overload the input and you'll get a richer sound out of your POD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted November 8, 2001 Share Posted November 8, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by Nigel Tufnel: [b]I've had a bean POD for a couple of years now and one of the best ways to spiff up the sound is to plug your guitar into something like an ART tube preamp and plug the line out from that into the POD's input. Just don't overload the input and you'll get a richer sound out of your POD.[/b][/quote] Nigel: That's a very good suggestion. I've been known to use a Joe Meek VC3Q on several occasions for this same type of thing. It has the added benefit of giving you some additional "pre POD" EQ and compression. BTW, loved your movies. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html Email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not coaster MODERATOR Posted November 9, 2001 Author Share Posted November 9, 2001 I played the J-Station today and felt it was so-so. Then I plugged into a Digitech somethingorother Genesis 3 direct box and put it through the paces. Man, I know I'm supposed to dislike Digitech but this thing is cool! Many more pallettes of tones and options and the speaker sim is as good as POD. Also noticed that this toy responds a little better to picking nuances then the other two boxes. And Digitech has avoided overprocessing most of the presets.. What a great feeling to know that many companies are fighting to get market share in the amp sim market. The products are improving. I may just pick up one of these and POD but I'm not sure I even need POD anymore. It seems to go for 100 $ more than POD. I think it's worth it. [ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Cereal ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Tufnel Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: [b]BTW, loved your movies.[/b][/quote] Well thanks. They helped the Tap, uh, penetrate more American homes. BTW, be sure to check out my new Amp Capo(tm) when it hits the guitar shops. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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