Guest Posted January 20, 2001 Share Posted January 20, 2001 I'll throw something in the ring of fire. http://www.csonline.net/wfturner/SpacesOfBlue.html ------------------ William F. Turner Guitarist, Composer, Songwriter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by wfturner@csonline.net: [b]I'll throw something in the ring of fire. [/b][/quote] Spaces of Blue: Curious sort of... reverse western swing bass part over a beatbox, but with jamaican cowbell accents? Smooth jazz guitar bits, cool slippy-slidey parts.. Horn section influenced? Hmm. The harmonica part comes in with the snare on what I perceive to be beats 4 and 1... strange, sort of like... New Grass Revival playing music for a spy movie vibe? Hmm.. then a disco breakdown with the beat box cowbell... The guitar sound is sort of like a late period DiMeola sound; then the bass line turns into a Gibbs-brothers disco bassline.. hmm. Pink Floyd dorian minor change for a few measures, back to the Jamaican western swing part... Then into wah guitar over that, psychedelic western swing? Ends with a... mid 70's pre-disco pop wah understated accent. Man, I have to say... in the words of the Immortal Johnny Carson... that's some wild and wacky stuff! You've integrated some very disparate influences into an amalgam that is... hmm... Music for the soundtrack to the movie Cheech and Chong never made about going to Las Vegas to star in a porno about living in Texas in the 40's, but getting sidetracked accidentally stealing some money from a Jamaican drug lord while trying to buy a bag of pot. Yeah. I could imagine Tom Waits or maybe Dennis Hopper doing a voiceover describing such an escapade with this... The modal vibe changing in sections combined with the eclectic combination of ethnic rhythms gives it a "musical journey" effect. http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 >>I'll throw something in the ring of fire. http://www.csonline.net/wfturner/SpacesOfBlue.html ------------------ William F. Turner Guitarist, Composer, Songwriter<< An absolutely soulful piece. It sounds like the soundtrack to a bus trip I once took from St. Louis to Philadelphia, accompanied by a bottle of gin, when I was about 20 years old. It invoked the rolling green hills & mountains of middle America, the truck stop diners, the hypnotic highway lines, the rambling conversations with strangers, the big sky of dreams & regrets & hopes & ambitions. De-luvely, and so earthy it warms ya to ya soul, like pancakes & bacon & a big cold glass of milk. I would gladly buy a CD of that kind of folk art. Keep on with it William F. Turner, and peace be unto ya. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 P.S. to W.T.F.: Pay no mind to that clown Chip & her anal-retentive posturing bullshitting. She has a habit of negating anything that she fears may up-stage her muzak - she's a frustrated two-bit music store hack. You are for real - don't let anyone knock you off your path. I probably don't have to tell you this 'cause I can hear the strength of your soul in your music - just want ya ta know I got your back my bro. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!...uh, what the...uh...? Heeeere we go-oooo... I liked the piece. Loved the modulations. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!...uh, what the...uh...? Heeeere we go-oooo... I liked the piece. Loved the modulations. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 Thanks Ted - so it's not just me? I thought Spaces Of Blue was beautiful. I don't understand why Chip feels he has to put down all the best entries here? I was still typing my post when he put that up, and I thought, "Again? You got to be kidding!" Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 who the hell is this "curvy dominatrix" anyway??????????? come out and show yourself!!!!! you talk the talk, now post your work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vononoffon.com Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 Hey Curve Dominant - Why do you feel you need to slam Chip for having an opinion? Speaking as a bassist, I found William's piece to be rhythmically weak. I prefer to hear humans on bass and drums. Silly little quirk of mine. My father, who was a great jazz bassist, hated rhythm boxes, and I carry on that opinion. Although, I did enjoy the overall mood of Spaces of Blue and the guitar work was cool, I still would like to hear more development in the bass and drums. This is more of a mood type background piece than anything. Later... Von from ONOFFON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 21, 2001 Share Posted January 21, 2001 Yo Dave -"curvy dominantrix," that's cute for a North Dakotan. Sorry, babe, no MP3's of the Curve until the CD's are in the stores, and then streaming audio only. Lawyer's orders. I never slammed anyone for having an opinion, but consistently posting sarcastic put-downs of good work deserves some tweaking. I've been over all of this already: everyone has a right to an opinion, BUT EVERYONE ALSO HAS A RIGHT TO AN OPINION OF YOUR OPINION. Do you get this? Did I put it simply enough? Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 what do you know of north dakota? nothing? cute? hey buddy dont stand behind me...we dont like the sheep that way up here. oh and BTW, its called CHICKEN SH*T not posting your tunes, i dont care what your lawyers say, if you even have talked to one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vononoffon.com Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Oh yes Curve - One posting is sufficient to understand what you think of Chip's opinions. Additional postings constitute harrassment. Am I being simple enough for you? Von Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lash Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Please take a listen to the song "Long Time" http://home.att.net/~bblash/long_time.mp3 . It's just under 5 meg. It's a blues song I did entirely in Pro Tools, the only exception being that I put the drums (these are sampled) through a 1178 with all the buttons pushed as I played them into Pro Tools. The guitars and bass went direct through mic pres on the Neotek Elite console that I use. The piano was sampled and went through the Neotek also. Once in Pro Tools, the guitars and bass went through Amp Farm and Mic-Modeler. The drums went through Lo-Fi to add a little distortion. I EQ'ed things just to get rid of frequencies that I didn't think sounded good. (What is that called--negative EQing?) The room was created in TC Electronics MegaReverb. I fed the room through sends from the different instruments. The drums are way in the back (lots of send). The rhythm guitar is also pretty far back. The lead vocal is pretty dry. What my intention was with this recording was to do something that sounded like it was just mics set up in a room, and the band plays: a performance. I played all the parts, and I wanted there to be a sort of looseness to it, some interplay between the players. It owes a lot to the Muddy Waters recording of "Mannish Boy" (the one with Johnny Winter) including the yelling in the background. My question is, does it sound authentic? Does it sound real? I would appreciate any response. I enjoy trying to lie and cheat with audio, and I'm wondering if I'm getting away with it in this case. Thanks. Bruce Lash This message has been edited by Bruce Lash on 01-21-2001 at 04:34 PM Prozak for Lovers II -- even more trouble than the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Thanks to Chip,Curve,Tedster and Von for the listen and comments. ------------------ William F. Turner Guitarist, Composer, Songwriter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 >>oh and BTW, its called CHICKEN SH*T not posting your tunes<< $26.96 - WOW!!! YOU BIG TIME!! You also spelled "Ecstasy" wrong on your MP3.com page. This thread should be called "Your Music Is No Good - Find Out Here!!" All the most interesting songs get flamed by hacks. THAT's harrassment. This message has been edited by Curve Dominant on 01-21-2001 at 09:59 PM Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 I want to thank everyone for sticking up for me - "Thanks!"... Attention Curve "Personal Crusader of the Unknowingly Oppressed by the Mad Evil Tyrant Known as "Chip"" Dominant: I've gotten a good bit of email complimenting my music and guitar playing, and some comments about my posting style as well. But YOU, sir, have given me the best compliment so far! Your one man jihad against me illustrates I've apparently made an impression on you, enough so that you now feel it necessary to try to show how I have some sort of shortcoming perhaps you may secretly feel you have *yourself*? See, most people don't automatically assume an opinion is a put down. For instance, you like to call my music "Muzak". That's fair, it *is* light and acoustic guitar based, it's not Cannibal Corpse or some such. It's also not the only thing I do, and I don't expect everyone to like what I do. So whoopee, you don't like it (kind of glad after seeing how you behave). But I suspect this has more to do with my choice of words and sentence structure? You don't play guitar very well, do you? Have difficulty coming up with original music maybe? Or maybe you just feel like a musical charlatan...? BTW - what's with this "she" stuff? Freudian slip? Do you have "unresolved issues" that's causing this perhaps? Curve - Craig is "away" for the present, but he won't be busy with NAMM forever. http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald This message has been edited by Chip McDonald on 01-21-2001 at 10:04 PM Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 uh oh, the curvy little girl is getting upset now.......... im SOOOO scared how do YOU like it, mr maturity>? YOU dug your OWN hole. oh, and thanks for correcting my spelling. right after i learned to tie my shoe i learned to correct peoples spelling (take a closer look wiseguy) but then, your pretty smart for a guy from PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Hey, Bruce! Welcome aboard! Not to defray the discussion from the current barroom brawl (CRASH!), but take a listen to Bruce's tunes (sound of beer bottles flying overhead to the accompaniment of a honky tonk piano). He's got some great stuff! Well, yeah, y'know, unfortunately (sound of jaw getting punched and horses whinnying), everyone here oughta be able to post an honest opinion. (CRASH, TINKLE TINKLE). And, not everyone's gonna love the music we submit (SOKK!). We all have to develop thick skins, evaluate what criticism is valid, and toss the rest out (OOOF!). But ultimately, criticism may help us all come up with better tunage. (BIFF!) (Staggers a bit from the blow)...maybe not...(collapses on floor)... Now someone git over t' the jail and fetch the Sheriff... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Studio Pet-Rock Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Welcome to the "Curve Dominatrix Opinions of Opinions" thread. Here, you can judge anything and everything that is written by anyone. Listen to music, if that's what you're into. But let's not get away from what's most important here: Bashing people for their opinions. So, Scurvey-Curve-sh*t-from-the-mouth, how do you feel about MY opinions?!! My opinion is, you're a patsy. You don't even have one pathetic song to listen to anywhere. Lawyer's orders, eh? My opinion on your lawyer is that he, too, is probably a patsy. (That's slander, by the way. You guys should sue me now.) What stores will your "album" be available in? I'm sure it's great stuff. Here's some industry advice; You should target the truck stop market. You could name your album "F#@ckers Jukebox - Volume 1". Though I haven't heard one note of your flawless album, I know it's perfectly okay to have an opinion about it here. What's your opinion on THAT, brutha? My opinion on your future opinions is that they too will be stupid and trivial. Of course, that's just my opinion. At any rate, I'm sure your aunt-mom & uncle-dad are very proud of what you do, whatever that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 OK LADIES, THAT'S ENOUGH. I know ya'll are bored to death out there in Bumfuck, USA, but some of us work, so give it a rest. >>what do you know of north dakota? nothing?<< Well, let's see. There's lots of snow, and barren land, and it's in the middle of Canada. There's plenty of sheep, as Dave & his girlfriend Mike Petrick can attest to. There's Grand Forks Air Force Base, home of some formerly useful inter-continental ballistic nuclear missile silos. Then there's some girls in Fargo who think that power tools are musical instruments. That's about it, right? Is there anything else in North Dakota we should know about? This message has been edited by Curve Dominant on 01-22-2001 at 02:07 AM Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Oh, yeah, there's Blaclite Studios, who produce music that is not the least bit Blac, but definitely Lite. "Gothic Death Mix - Better Than Yanni." Now THERE'S an SNL skit from hell. My condolences. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Bruce....love that song... The cigar and cigarette smoke actually comes out the speakers...talk about the dirty blooze...that had to have been recorded at a club with the howls in the background. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Bruce Lash, I'm gonna call ya Blues Ca$h, this is some sweeeet jams my brutha. I'm listening to this for the 3rd time as I type this post, ...no, the 4th time now. It's been a long time since I heard some salty roadhouse blues like this. I was gettin' ready for bed, but ya made me bust out another beer & a smoke, and f*ck gettin' up early tomorrow. Now I'm on the 5th listen, and it just gets better. That stereo gauntlet of guitars - what guit's are a playin? Moby should be taking lessons from ya - this is the sh*t folks: take heed. Now I'm on th 6th listen. I'm gonna bust out another beer. The drums are fierce - that's what I'm talkin' bout. Johnny Winter would be proud, and I grew up with that cat. Highway 61 Revisited - that's my life's soundtrack. I'm on my 7th listen now, and I'm saving this chumpy to my desktop for my next house party. "Long Time - That's what I'm talkin' 'bout" Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 and still...its just 'flap flap flap' empty promises of nothing. you still have nothing to show, and have proven nothing. i bet your some guy who lives in his grammas basement with an old pc. thats all we can tell here buddy. maybe you should look at a map smartguy. im going with the pathetic patsy opinion. whats your opinion of that allmighty internet private detective? i bet you still think your pretty clever dont you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lash Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Ted and Curve: Thanks for taking a listen. I'm glad that it rings true for you. I like setting up a room in software and feeding it sends of the instruments until it starts to sound 3D, like you can hear the walls, you know? I also used distortion from Lo-Fi and cranked up the tube saturation in Mic- Modeler to help it sound not too polished. Guitars: in the left channel, it's an old Kay Swingmaster. In the right channel, it's a 1969 SG Special. The bass is a cheap Beatle bass copy with the name Conrad on it. Prozak for Lovers II -- even more trouble than the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Bruce: I enjoyed the blues piece. Think you got the live performance simulation effect down pretty damn good. The only thing I find that might give you away is the width of the stereo spread. Perhaps a bit narrower spread would be more realistic of where I personally might expect to hear such a performance... a hot, crowded little hole in the wall bar. With that in mind, I like the blues, love to listen and play em anytime the occasion arises, but I'm not an "I got all the records and seen all the great cats play" type of blues purist so I might be way off in my idea of a narrower stereo spread. Regardless it's a very enjoyable piece of work. ------------------ William F. Turner Guitarist, Composer, Songwriter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lash Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 William, Thank you for checking it out. Do you think the guitars are spread too wide, or is it the room itself (or both)? Prozak for Lovers II -- even more trouble than the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uh Clem Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 Bruce - cool piece. Definitely was a nice backdrop for all the Curve / Chip fighting. I'll guess if you're that all hot and bothered over a collection of - with few exceptions - rather unremarkable music, you'll argue over damn near anything. Anyway, I liked what you did and that you explained your approach and goal was very worthwhile. It sounded pretty live to me. I'd probably drop the yells in the background or either make them more varied and/or tied to the music. But that's just a nit. Good job. This message has been edited by stevepow on 01-22-2001 at 03:32 PM Steve Powell - Bull Moon Digital www.bullmoondigital.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by Bruce Lash: [b]Please take a listen to the song "Long Time" [/b][/quote] Cool tune. I agree with the others, the spread seems too wide for "authentic"... Too uncolored as well, I'd trash up the reverb with an ugly peak in the mids somewhere. The vocal is too clean/detailed for "authentic" to me as well, run it through an amp perhaps... I wouldn't bother though because it sounds good. I'd go in the opposite direction. The big room sound drums sounds good, but I'd put a bit of kick mic up for low end oomph... I'd put the bass guitar up front a little more, up the middle because there's something of a hole in the middle of the mix (panning/soundstage wise)... maybe just bass from about 250 down so that none of the direct mid and up harmonics interferes with the "big room sound", but would still anchor the middle a bit and again add some ommph to the low end. The vocal being dry and upfront works from that authentic perspective... but it's almost like I'd want that trashed up a bit for added effect. From a production standpoint I'd maybe do something like the "Shure 55 through a Champ" routine; hmm... maybe, being the heretical non-purist I am, I'd want to track the vocal again on the chorus through the amp setup, and mix that in on the side as an effect on just the chorus. No, I take that back... Mix that in during the verses on the side, so that the chorus/hook can be upfront and present - so you can hear the words intelligibly on the hook ("long time")... maybe the amp can have a blackface-treble bite sound to add some intelligibility on the verses ( a Pod would be good for this)... VERY authentic John Lee Hooker "hup" before the solo! Most importantly, great vibe. I'd edit out about a minute, bleed in some kick mic and bass di/close mic, do some sort of treatment on the vocal (alternating amp vocal sound with the "pure" sound; or actually something in an A section, B section (maybe a massively overcompressed sucking breath distorted sound) THEN pure sound (long time... (whatever follows)) so that there is a more definite delineation between "sections", and it'd be ready for the radio... Curve:how about this time you hold off attacking me until Mr.Bruce Lash here announces I've put him down? (not that I have...) http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Studio Pet-Rock Posted January 22, 2001 Share Posted January 22, 2001 No, I will not give it a rest. Not until you learn to shut up. The middle of Canada?!! Damn, you are one stupid son of a bitch. It must suck, having to live in dear old grandma's basement - working with your 486 and your 14.4 modem. You know, I'm of the opinion that YOU HAVE NO MUSIC!! NOTHING!! Just a bad case of oral diareah. Do you even know how to play an instrument? Masturbation doesn't count. (Does your lawyer advise you on that also?) Again; WHERE IS THIS ALBUM OF YOURS GOINIG TO BE? Wal Mart? K Mart? Or maybe it'll be the toy in some kids happy meal at McDonalds(?)That's where you work, right? Curve McDominugget. BAAAHH, HAA, HAA, HAA!!!!!! I bet you drive a '76 A.M.C. Gremlin with factory 8-track player and a c.b. radio. Don't forget to pick up grandma's meds on the way home from "work" tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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