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By the way, I would like to address two things that Chip brought up concerning (1) why I post anonymously, and (2) why I have no MP3's posted. First of all, there are some folks here who know who I am, my address, home telephone #, etc (you know who you are). I am just a little selective about who I give this info to, especially given some of the wackos who sometimes show up on these forums, who also post anonymously. As you all (should) know, once someone has your email address, they can easily obtain just about every documented bit of information that exists about you with a fast & simple internet search. Sorry, folks, I just don't know ya'll enough to go there. Right now I have no MP3's posted anywhere on the net, and I will not until my next CD is in the stores. Even then, they will most likely be streaming audio files, not MP3. Now, this is a great thread, and in no way do I want to discourage what ya'll are doing, but there are some complicated legal issues involving copyright law when you publish your music on the internet, not to mention that you lose control over where and how often your music is duplicated when you post it for free. There are some pretty smart and experienced entertainment lawyers in Philly, and every single one I've spoken with recommends that I hold off at least until the labels settle with Napster and MP3.com, because then some of the legal issues will be ironed out and precedents will take hold. Sorry, folks, it's just far less complicated this way. But ya'll might want to consider posting RealAudio instead of MP3 - it could save ya some serious headaches down the way. I was originally not even going to get involved in this thread because I have nothing posted, but I liked Daboosh's "ER" so much I couldn't help but rave about it. Somebody disagreed with me, though, and I got dragged into this bullsh*t. My apologies to the cooler folks here - you know who you are.

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I´d really like to get some opinions about my recording/mixing on http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~palmann/whokille.mp3 (the music was tracked on an 8-track tape-recorder in their rehearsal-room, the vocals were recorded at my studio and it was mix at my studio in Logic/ProTools.) http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~palmann/wrongpla.mp3 (entirely done at my studio.) http://home.t-online.de/home/tunesforthetakin/wintersc.mp3 Thanx to all, Peter [url=http://www.merlinsound.de]www.merlinsound.de[/url]
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Hello all, Been reading and listening for hours and thought I'd post a link to some guys I recorded a few months back. These MP3s are directly from the DAT to CD to web unmastered! I did have it mastered professionally and it turned out pretty good. Let me know what you think! http://www.farmclub.com/listen/artisthome/static/48373.html Tony http://www.sixthwind.com
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eduardo Apolonia: [B]Here is something on the heavy side. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/cool.gif[/img] The sound is bad, it was recorded in a garage. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif[/img] I would appreciate some thoughts about it. [URL=http://www.RawMachine.com/SoundFiles/Green_in_Greed.mp3] Did the neighbours head for the nuclear fall out shelter!?
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[quote]Originally posted by von@onoffon.com: [B]Has anyone here heard of ONOFFON?[/quote] Listened to "Please Baby Please" with my morning cup of coffee. Nice pleasin piece for this time of day. On a personal preference, that snapin, clappin, simple percussion thing you got going might be more effective a bit farther back in the mix or maybe even better detuned to a bit lower frequency at the present level. You have a nice simple yet effective instrumental arrangement going yet I can't seem to be able to pick it with out totally blankin out the percussion and vica versa. Seems they both are strong in some common frequency range. Listened twice, once kinda low volume and once pretty loud and I experience the same listening problem. Love the tune.... the lyrics are great. Listened to a couple others including "OPUS" which I also greatly enjoyed. Good Day To YA ------------------ William F. Turner Guitarist, Composer, Songwriter
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[Chip McDonald] Listened to a few of your tunes. Your thing ain't my thing, but, you seem to do yours well enough. I'm generally not all that much into listening to alot of new age because from my personal experience especially when listening to independent, MP3.COM type of new age composers. They seem to find a wonderful theme or two and drone them to death. Being a lifetime student of guitar myself, I usally find acoustic guitar based new age a bit of a disappointment because a wonderful and exiting theme is droned over and over. You seem to try to promise me something different with "A Particular Bandwidth Of Emotion". It was my favorite of the new age stuff. It was the favorite of the 5 or 6 I listened to. I can only stream lo-fi so I can't really comment on over all production and such. I know from experience that acoustic guitar can leave some nasty artifacts in any lo-fi format. They sound pretty good in lo-fi so I figure they probably sound great in hi-fi mode. Have a great day. ------------------ William F. Turner Guitarist, Composer, Songwriter
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[quote]Originally posted by wfturner@csonline.net: [b][Chip McDonald] listening to independent, MP3.COM type of new age composers. They seem to find a wonderful theme or two and drone them to death.[/b][/quote] Exactly! I try to have a bit more structure. I think it's kind of a rip off to play a pad on a keyboard for 3 minutes and call it a "composition"... [b]know from experience that acoustic guitar can leave some nasty artifacts in any lo-fi format. They sound pretty good in lo-fi so I figure they probably sound great in hi-fi mode.[/b] Thanks. It still did some weird - unexpected - things in hi-fi mode. There's a bit of voodoo about the mp3 conversion process IMO. Thanks for your comments... http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald

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Looks like I found this thread a little late. Well since I respect everyone's opinion and am curious what people think of this strange pop project I'm doing, please listen and tell me exactly what you think. It's a guitar and drums project, but the guitar is tuned weird. This is in DEVELOPMENT, recorded on an Sblive! Drums mono, guitar Haas panned, and vocal. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/117/mim_the_sleeping_limb.html Thanks, -Rob
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At this rate I'll never get any opinions. I've heard them all from "you suck dude" all the way to "Man, your the man" and even though its listeners opinions, when I posted on this thread, I was looking for industry pro's opinions that I can take and act on. If the music is good but the production sucks, I need to know and why. My music is strange and as far away from mainstream as the US is from getting out of debt so don't expect Mitch Miller or the Back Door Boys. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] After all, music is only a perspective of the listener and his/her preferences. [quote]music perception is based on the universe of the individual listener. ~SINTZ~[/quote] TC [url=http://mp3.com/SINTZ]SINTZ[/url] This message has been edited by SINTZ on 01-15-2001 at 06:37 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by von@onoffon.com: [b]Has anyone here heard of ONOFFON? [/b][/quote] Just did (per your email)... DISCLAIMER: the following is my *opinion*; if necessary, place an imaginary "IMO" at the end of every sentence. Thank you, The Management ------------------- "Opus" - I liked this a lot. Great sounds, very nicely eq'ed. The vibe at first reminds me of "Some Call it Sleep" by Vai, then you have that neat Mahavishnu sounding unison run.. that's cool. The meandering vibe is very well done. I like the organizational structure of the main theme. The section with the backwards reverb part opens up nicely after the long "intro" section. Very cool drumming. You're going to have to detail the recording setup: I like the sparse sound, simple sounding but understated. "The Gift Must Always Move" - I liked this too. I'm into phrases that have that have that kind of elaborate-long-theme-into a delicate resolve sort of thing. Kind of like a calm version of what DiMeola did on some tracks on _Kiss My Axe_. Again, cool drumming. I like the organic structure as it morphs into the more aggressive part at the end. Brand-X with Phil Collins drumming sort of vibe which is cool... Like the modulation on the repeating motif at the end. Hmm. Peart like fill there, but it's cool and well done... Cool. I envy you for being able to put together a band that is willing to do something this sensitively done. I'm skipping the salsa things.. I'm not into that at all... "Remember Only" - atmospheric music for a dark sci-fi movie. "Please Baby Please" - not my thing... sounds well recorded... too happy for me. "Weekend In Montreal" - hmm.. treads close ground to Naked City/John Zorn territory, but is more listenable to me. I like the climbing modulation thing in the C section... I'd want to not hear the sax so loudly/predominantly so constantly. I liked all the playing and parts, but not one after another. I liked the first section best though, since it has the chaotic nature of Zorn without the excessive dissonance... "Your Mind" - liked the "prepared" sounds at the start... Like the ensemble bit that follows, well recorded.. at first found the vocal bits off putting, but liked the pseudo-Kate Bush sounding voice in the back... The see-saw augmented sort of sound and whimsical lyrics reminds me of Zappa; I like how the vocal sections back up against the 7 feel ensemble bit... Well recorded again... towards the end here it's sort of like what I want Phish to sound like, but they don't, which is cool. If your band plays up this side of what I've heard so far it probably goes over well with the neo-hippies? "Inside My Soul" - nice bass figure over the Rhodes sound... I'd want the singing to be less delicate at first, less tied. I'd want the vocal to open up more aggressively, more hey wait, what I mean for the first verse is the way the second verse sounds rhythmically in feel.. anyhow, I'd want to hear a more of a head-voice "loud" sound on the chorus (shadows deepening" etc)... (that's NOT a put down; I'm just saying that's *my* preference). I'd better shut up before I tick you off... Cool drumming, I'd want to hear the snare more upfront for this. *Not that there's anything wrong with it now*, that's just *my* preference again, sorry... "You Know I Can't" - cool bass playing, cool theme. Cool ambient sounds... cool "percussion sounds of indeterminate origin"... like the mood. "Rock Garden" - I like the intro's floaty sound. Morphs into a more "travelling" theme in a clever way. Harmonica gives it an earthy vibe, reigns it in. I like the doubled vocal part before the change, the change, kind of Floydish. I like the contrast of fluidity that part against the more abrupt sound when it goes back to the verse. Nice hybrid-fusion music, nicely recorded. Interesting themes, non-cliched playing, and "comfortable" group performance. http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald

Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com

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VON, I liked all of your stuff. Please tell me at least some of the tunes have live DRUMSET. If not the music is still cool but less impressive. Let me know next time you're playing, my brother and I will definitly check it out.
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Oops, OK I dug a bit deeper and found Dave's Drum Solo page on MP3c, so I know he can play. So first question answered [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Von, just curious, why do you use the strap-on drum machine thing? Did 'Common Grounds' and/or 'Universal Bar and Grill' ask you not to use live drums or do you guys prefer it? This message has been edited by truth@jamfree.com on 01-15-2001 at 09:19 PM
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Alright TC and JamFree!! Thanks. And to JamFree, are you in the LA area? That strap on thing is a Zendrum, brought to public consciousness by Futureman from Bela Fleck. Dave likes to play it and we're the only group experimental enough to let him. If we could ever play on a concert level, ideally, we would like him to have his full kit, the zendrum and a full percussion kit. We like to play many different textures. Oh, and all the studio recordings are on full kit plus various percussions. He didn't have the zen when we recorded either CD. Glad you all like our stuff. Von This message has been edited by von@onoffon.com on 01-15-2001 at 09:56 PM
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Yep Von, we're in North Hills/Granada Hills area. Almost finished building our studio at my brother Tom's house in Granada Hills, things are getting exciting for us, lots of cool music coming once we have our studio. I'm hip to Futureman, my brother and I always kinda wanted him to play drums though. Either way, it's cool. [b]Drums are heavily featured in our music, you could say they're really the lead instrument.[/b] I only started playing guitar a few years ago so I look to the drums for the most musicianship. Not to worry though cause I'm going back to playing a lot of keyboards, I'm a lot stronger with that piano being my main instrument. I stopped playing keys completely for 3 years because I found what synthesizers have become so crippling. Don't get me wrong though I dig playing guitar [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]. This message has been edited by truth@jamfree.com on 01-15-2001 at 10:12 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by SINTZ: [b]At this rate I'll never get any opinions. I've heard them all from "you suck dude" all the way to "Man, your the man" and even though its listeners opinions, when I posted on this thread, I was looking for industry pro's opinions that I can take and act on. If the music is good but the production sucks, I need to know and why. My music is strange and as far away from mainstream as the US is from getting out of debt so don't expect Mitch Miller or the Back Door Boys. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] After all, music is only a perspective of the listener and his/her preferences. TC [url=http://mp3.com/SINTZ]SINTZ[/url] [/b][/quote] OK, I'll bite: 1) I don't think it is as bizzare or weird as you think - but a lot people think my musical tastes are a little eclectic, so maybe I'm just jaded. 2) The sound quality is too "computer game-ish" for my me - like a Super Mario backdrop or something - although I have no idea if this was a goal or not. I'm guessing from the Floyd and Parsons refs, no. 3) To, me there could be more depth, mystery, and interplay in the layers of the musical themes. Overall, I felt the layerrs of parts just came in and stacked up without really drawing me in. Maybe some more drastic dynamics would do the trick. Or, it could be that I just don't get you genre, although I'm a pretty big Floyd, Parsons, ELP, Wakeman, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Eno, Walter Carlos fan...I'm definitely getting a "Six Wives of Henry The VIII" flashback. Take a listen... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002GBJ/qid=979651204/sr=2-1/ref=sc_m_1/107-4284614-9828518 But what does any of us know - if it sounds the way you want it to, then you are in good shape. If there is a specific quality you don't care for yourself, share that and maybe someone can tell you how to get past it. This message has been edited by stevepow on 01-16-2001 at 08:25 AM

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OK, I've made it thru page one, I think - some interesting stuff out there... Dr. Destructo: Scorpio is really cool and catchy. I can’t tell about the quality from the MP3- maybe could use more drums. Yep – I think these tunes are cool, the drums just sound like a dead cassette tape. Eyes Tinted Green – kind of Sonic Youth – cool. ben creitz(Alphajerk): didn’t see any credit for you up on his MP3 site – his stuff would take me a while to warm up to. The recording style seems to fit the music, tho. tdB(Alphajerk): My Problem Child – wow that has a lot of bottom. Material/Seven Souls’ish The Merle (Alphajerk): another bass heavy couple of tunes – alpha are you doing that on purpose? I have to cut my sub from my 1030As to get it in balance. “Sweatheart” seems OK. Or maybe all my stuff is going to be bass light? Jonathan Hughes: Very dreamy – I like the idea of playing them together so they create the hybrid tunes. XTAC: way cool (BTW, Saxophone with 2 Os) – big fuckin’ sound on Burned Alive. Not so crazy about the fake drums in In Death, but you have some cool stuff. What a giant cool analog sound in Stranger Elation. The mix on these is great – good balance –lot of cool textures. Tonewoods: what a trip – “Joe Meek” sounds like Tom Waits a bit on that tune. Very well done. Excellent! Tedster: seems like you need some noise reduction on the intro – for a PC recording, not so bad – I’m assuming you don’t mean a PC with ProTools or the like? Philbo2: they sound more like demos – like the vocals need to be tightened up. It is a very unusual combination of influences showing thru at different times. Almost sounds like picked up Rick Wright for keys and vocals at times. Rickwade70: wow – all you – cool. Your fake drums sound more convincing than some of the other real drums I’ve heard – which I guess is a vote for drum replacement/enforcement if necessary. Scott from MA: Black Sabbath guitar solo on Tire and Fall? Seems like some good ideas that just need polishing and fleshing out. I agree with the others – no sucking. Tonemonkey: can’t get to yours. Songbirdx/MusicMan: geeze John, did you switch bands between Someone’s Watching and Clay Men and then back? – yep, one minute you’re in Pearl Jam and then the next in the Climax Blues Band – I kind of liked Sail Away, but that chorused guitar starts to bug me after awhile. Walters: interesting game sounds. The other stuff – another one of those “is this the same band” compilations. – I think I prefer the “They Might Be Giants” style stuff. Stevepow: well, that’s me and our stuff is what we do and we like it. But any constructive comments are welcomed. Although Instant Holiday was not a typical recording for us in that it was done in ACID. Most of our material is live improv recorded on the spot (most of the poems are written in advance). Mouthful of Water or Miglior Acque are more typical of what we do. more later...

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hey thanks STEVEPOW. analog sound? theyre all digital! no analog recording here. i did use soundhack spectral compressor on stranger elation though, maybe thats what your hearing. IN DEATH is (was) my first consumer style pop tune. it is my one and only LIVE pop tune mix (no protools back then) after that, i switched to pro tools. that mix is #43 on the two hour dat tape i made over two days of only mmixing. i became a soundcraft virtuoso; literaly 'playing' the mixer! the neat trick i did in that tune is the end, i had a lexicon box set to about a 19 second decay, ran backup vox through it, at the end of the tune i reacjed over and pressed "stop" on the da88's. reverb still rand though, should have seen the strange looks i was getting as i mixed that tune. man i miss the days of "real" mixing, not this automated crap (i like that too BTW) oh, yea; the drums really DO SUCK! eeww. thanks to my first tone generator, a yamaha (yomamaha) tg100. junk. sits in my rack turned off. even worse than my mirage. thanks for listening!
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>>Tedster: seems like you need some noise reduction on the intro – for a PC recording, not so bad – I’m assuming you don’t mean a PC with ProTools or the like? Thanks for the tip, Steve...but which tune? There were two, and people have said they couldn't download one, but I forget which one. I used a PC with Cool Edit Pro. I think it must have been the "Fly" tune, because I could hear a need for noise redux there too...
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>>Philbo2: they sound more like demos – like the vocals need to be tightened up. It is a very unusual combination of influences showing thru at different times. Almost sounds like picked up Rick Wright for keys and vocals at times. StevePow - I agree; the material on our site represents both our musical (especially vocals) and technical (i.e., recording/mixing/mastering skills & generally learning to use all the cool toys) evolution over the last couple of years. And those first songs do have their rough spots, no doubt about it. Am highly flattered to be mentioned in the same light as Rick Wright... Thanks for your comments! Any thoughts on the mixes / mastering & stuff like that? - philbo & Tangent
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For ONOFFON - I'm listening to 'Your Mind' - The vocals in the beginning strike me as being in a kind of Miles Davis groove (the 'Bitches Brew' days), though the bass sounds like Yes. Very innovative. 'Inside My Soul' - Sort of reflective, something that would be easy to listen to in the early AM... Musically, you guys seem to have a good jazz groove going. Sonically, the mixes seem a little heavy on bass, but generally well-recorded and clear, at least as far as I can tell thru lo-fi MP3.... Merlin - I listened to 'WhoKille' (at least thats what showed up in my Winamp title window.) Nice, spacey, new-age techno... relaxing, lilting melodies. Very clean recording, nice balance. I wish I had the bandwidth to listen to all of you guys - it'd be cool to throw together a CD-sampler of one song from each poster; kind of an Anderton-Forum Music Potpourri CD ... - philbo - Philbo
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For ONOFFON - I'm listening to 'Your Mind' - The vocals in the beginning strike me as being in a kind of Miles Davis groove (the 'Bitches Brew' days), though the bass sounds like Yes. Very innovative. 'Inside My Soul' - Sort of reflective, something that would be easy to listen to in the early AM... Musically, you guys seem to have a good jazz groove going. Sonically, the mixes seem a little heavy on bass, but generally well-recorded and clear, at least as far as I can tell thru lo-fi MP3.... Merlin - I listened to 'WhoKille' (at least thats what showed up in my Winamp title window.) Nice, spacey, new-age techno... relaxing, lilting melodies. Very clean recording, nice balance. I wish I had the bandwidth to listen to all of you guys - it'd be cool to throw together a CD-sampler of one song from each poster; kind of an Anderton-Forum Music Potpourri CD ... - philbo - Philbo
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hello, Mr Anderton first off, i'd just gotta say that i like the idea of having someone like you listen to my tracks. you have always been a great supporter of DiY musicians and producers - i have some of your books on home recording and they have helped me alot. i also look forward to reading you articles in Keyboard mag, always very insightful. people like you make it possible for underdogs like me to one day reach their potential as an artist, and hopefully pass the favour on to the next generation of young musicians. (now that im done buttering up the guy who's gonna review my tracks...) my music can be found at http://www.mp3.com/-digitalia- for the most part it's electronic/industrial/ambient/experimental stuff and any feedback you can offer would be greatly appreciated. be brutal - can take it! i'd also like to check out some of the other music posted in this forum, i hope to get to that soon, and possibly give my input. if i like it enough, it just might end up at http://www.mp3.com/stations/-auralpl3asur3- (for those other mp3.com artists, anyway) again, thanks for years of service and support to amatuer musicians, now go listen to my tunes and see if you've made a positive influence on my life. peace diGitaLia

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