Overrated artists

[Finale]

ProfD, thanks but you're making me :blush:

 

I really enjoy your great insights too here. Also, I think you should participate in the next KC Comp, it's true that there are many gifted players here and I'm sure you're one of them too.

 

Back to the original TV program.

[DafDuc]

Artists I never got include:

 

Genesis (old)

Styx

Wakeman

Rory Gallagher

Robbie Robertson (solo)

TranSiberian Orchestra

Rush

G Dead

 

Artists I truly loathe:

REO

Kenny Gee

Burton Cummings

(there's also some overexposure with Bob Seger, but this is Detroit - it's not so much loathing as overfamiliarity)

 

Lousy members of good bands:

Dickie Betts - Allmans

Gregg Rolie - Santana

Lee Jackson - Nice

 

And this clarification, especially for the younger set - Green Manalishi era Fleetwod Mac is a far cry from the band that did Rumors. Peter Green was absolutely awesome. Check out Oh Well (not the Live With Lindsay version!), Rattlesnake Shake, Shake Your Money Maker, Albatross - and of course Green Manalishi, the best heavy hard rock song ever written. Show of hands - how many of you thought that was a Judas Priest original? Well?

 

Daf (also liked Bare Trees, despite the personnel changes)

[ProfD]

I really enjoy your great insights too here. Also, I think you should participate in the next KC Comp, it's true that there are many gifted players here and I'm sure you're one of them too.

 

Back to the original TV program.

 

Not sure that I have a gift for anything other than gab.

 

I hope to a) get my musical mojo back and b) not sell everything; giving up playing in order to focus solely on talking about music.

 

If so, I hope to make the cut in time for the next KC comp. Thanks mayne.

[DanS]

Artists I never got include:

 

Genesis (old)

 

 

Well if you didn't like Trick Of The Tail & Wind & Wuthering, you REALLY didn't get it. For me, this was Genesis at their peak in terms of songwriting & album production.

[b3_john]

I like a lot of what people here seem to dislike. I guess that makes me overrated too.

 

Lousy members of good bands:

Gregg Rolie - Santana

Then why did the great rock stuff dry up after Gregg left Santana the Band (and it became Carlos, his ego-feeding guru, and a perpetual revolving door of other guys)?

 

If you really want to know who was musically overrated in that group you pretty much can do that with this section of songs from The Very Best of Carlos Santana:

• Open Invitation
  
• Hold On
  
• Winning
  
• All I Ever Wanted
  
• Dance Sister Dance
  

I challenge anyone here to listen to that tripe in a single sitting without throwing up at least once.

 

John

[b3_john]

Then again, Liz Reed (At Fillmore East) and Jessica (Brothers & Sisters) are my two all-time favorite instrumental rock tunes -- Mr. Betts' current situation not withstanding.

 

So what do I know anyway?

 

John

[Legatoboy]

Wayne Newton, oh man, I saw his show in Vegas in 77'. . . .

 

Talk about 'lounge lizard' central . . . they ate it up. . .

If Linwood did a Vegas show, I'd bet you he'd draw!

 

Linwood this is what you have to do:

 

First Wayne sang, then he danced, then they threw him a 'Gitar' from the wings, then he sang w/the gitar some more.... Then they threw him a Fiddle from the wings and he played it. .then a horn (trumpet I think) . .it was hilarious! It was like a rerun of Ted Mack's amatur hour all rolled up into one guy in a cheesy slicked hairdo and moustache! The instruments flying out from the stage sides. . . . priceless Americana, Vaudavillian!

 

Fear and Loathing in Wayne Newton. . .

 

"This is what the world would doing if the Third Reich won the war"

 

from the scene/book 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' - H.Thompson - when they went to Circus Circus huffed on Either.

lb

 

[BluesKeys]

artificial intellegence is no match for natural stupidity.

 

I'll leave it at that....

[Legatoboy]

I have the inside story on Dickey, though I wasn't there then...

KKB (my old/sometimes current band) opened for them (Great Southern/ Dickey Betts Band?) on 2 tours of CA for 2 months each tour........

 

I ain't talking but things have been made very clear to me!

 

Musical ability/intelligence and personality don't necessarily have to jive!

lb

[NYKeys]

I also think John Legend is a little overrated. It seems like everything they play is in the same key, vibe, and flow.

[kanker.]

I don't particularly care for Alicia Keys. Sure, she sings well, and plays well, but to my ears, all her songs sound alike.

Well what do you expect - she did a whole album of songs in A minor.

 

When she was featured on the cover of Keyboard, the magazine's credibility dipped considerably in my eyes.

[delirium]

interesting, so different scales sound different indeed...

I thought you were against that

:grin:

[DafDuc]

I like a lot of what people here seem to dislike. I guess that makes me overrated too.

 

Lousy members of good bands:

Gregg Rolie - Santana

Then why did the great rock stuff dry up after Gregg left Santana the Band (and it became Carlos, his ego-feeding guru, and a perpetual revolving door of other guys)?

 

If you really want to know who was musically overrated in that group you pretty much can do that with this section of songs from The Very Best of Carlos Santana:

• Open Invitation
  
• Hold On
  
• Winning
  
• All I Ever Wanted
  
• Dance Sister Dance
  

I challenge anyone here to listen to that tripe in a single sitting without throwing up at least once.

 

John

 

Guess that's what makes horse racing. Rolie left and they put out Welcome, my favorite album by any group ever. And Dance Sister Dance is an awesome tune - not as fond of the other 4 you list.

 

Rolie was an early influence for me, he got great sounds from his B-3, his use of paradiddles was great, and he structured his solos really well. But he never stretched out, and sorta made me doubt he could. What was so cool about Welcome is all of a sudden there were two keyboardists who could totally kick ass. Kermode's Rhodes work was suprelmely tasty, and Coster did some very cool organ stuff.

 

For me, Santana was to Rolie as Coltrane was to Flanagan... and Coster and Kermode were his Tyner.

 

I'll also admit I forgot to consider Dickie' writing - love Elizabeth Reed. Just wish he'd develop his solos - only Dave Mason's and Gary Richrath's annoy me more.

 

Daf

[Phil W]

50 cent, Kylie, J-Lo, P.Diddy, Alicia keys, Joss Stone . . . etc.

 

[Finale]

I love Kylie.

[b3_john]

Daf, from my perspective Carlos could easily make both an overrated and underrated artists lists at any time, based solely on who's advice he was taking that week.

 

John

[Phil Aiken]

 

 

For me, Santana was to Rolie as Coltrane was to Flanagan... and Coster and Kermode were his Tyner.

Daf

 

The original recording of Giant Steps notwithstanding, I'd take Tommy Flanagan over McCoy Tyner seven days a week and twice on Sundays.....

[niacin]

 

For me, Santana was to Rolie as Coltrane was to Flanagan... and Coster and Kermode were his Tyner.

Daf

 

The original recording of Giant Steps notwithstanding, I'd take Tommy Flanagan over McCoy Tyner seven days a week and twice on Sundays.....

 

Me too. Give me Gregg and Flanagan any day of the week.

 

Over-rated? The Rolling Stones. If they'd have been black they would have had to have been twice the musicians they were/are to get a gig at the local.

 

And any chick singer who does the where's my note it's one of these around here somewhere can't sing a melody without screwing with it Whitney-Mariah-Christine thing. If you think any of them has a great range let alone a great voice you need to discover Minnie Ripperton.

 

Keyboard players - I've never understood people who get into Red Garland, with or without Miles.

[SilverDragonSoun]

Its interesting how I agree with so many on this list and disagree with so many on this list. I guess it shows the difference in what we consider good music to be or maybe a better way to say it is what we view/hear as art musically.

[Ed Stanley]

I wish I could play half as good as McCoy Tyner.

[Nordude]

I wish I could play half as good as McCoy Tyner.

 

+1 for the aforementioned Red Garland

[Phil Aiken]

I wish I could play half as good as McCoy Tyner.

 

Oh, me too, I'd just rather play like Tommy Flanagan!!!!

My comment was more in praise of TF than a slag of McCoy....

[Phil Aiken]

I wish I could play half as good as McCoy Tyner.

 

Oh, me too, I'd just rather play like Tommy Flanagan!!!!

My comment was more in praise of TF than a slag of McCoy....

[Bosendorphen]

Have to agree with Prince. Read some article where the lack of bass in "When Doves Cry" was described as "revolutionary." WTFresca? Some music critics. I felt he was a good pop songwriter and talent performer but I guess didn't feel these depictions of "genius" were warranted.

 

Never understood the appeal of REM and how they were so great. Mediocre at best IMHO. Not impressed with them live either. Nor with U2.

 

Agree though about Genesis' ToTT/WaW period. Love it! Tony Banks was so dominant on WaW. [curmudgeon mode] Why son, keyboardists could rule back in THOSE days! [/curmudgeon mode].