rgordon83 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Trey anastasio is just a sick player. It's unreal. I mean, he's past his prime now, but in his prime he was just mind blowing. every time i hear them jam i am just blown away. I think he doesn't get his due credit b/c people just write phish of as a stoner hippie band and they refuse to admit what a great talent he is. What do you people think? I think -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarisawayoflife21 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I generally agree with what you said. Trey is a great player and I also believe many people kind of disregard his talents due to the fact he plays with Phish. I had done it myself for a while but the dudes skills are just undeniable. www.myspace.com/robyourselfblind check us out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subject x Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Trey rocks. I really like his style and sound.I wouldn't say he's past his prime. True, he doesn't play as many notes as he used to, and he's gotten more "low key" with his playing, but I think that's a matter of developing confidence in his ability. When you get good enough to play only the right notes, you don't need as many. "The Torture Never Stops" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumblyfingers Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Welcome to the forum, subject x, you too Ross since I have not greeted you formally yet. I got tweaked a bit by the "past his prime" statement but I don't want to comment on it too much or argue. There are many here who might fit that category, who are also still playing at their personal best or close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subject x Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Thanks for the welcome, Fumblyfingers. I like to think I have yet to hit my prime. "The Torture Never Stops" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 LOL! Past his prime...Do this, stand on the same stage with him..trade some riffs, THEN come back and tell us how past his prime he is LOL!!! http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 25, 2007 Author Share Posted March 25, 2007 LOL! Past his prime...Do this, stand on the same stage with him..trade some riffs, THEN come back and tell us how past his prime he is LOL!!! I think you missed the point. If you listen to phish stuff from around 95 (or any othe mid nineties) and compare to to stuff he's been playing lately you will notice a huge difference. For example if you watch the dvd "live in brooklyn" from '04 (i was at that show) you will notice many parts where try just plain misses/ fumbles up some notes. It is clear as day. You don't hear that on ANYTHING from the mid nineties. All his riffs were spot on back then. You can hear it a lot of you compare his complex compositions like reba, YEM, David Bowie, Guyute, and a bunch of other songs with really complex melodies... And since when does me saying trey is past his prime mean that i am saying i can play with him?!!? -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 25, 2007 Author Share Posted March 25, 2007 Welcome to the forum, subject x, you too Ross since I have not greeted you formally yet. I got tweaked a bit by the "past his prime" statement but I don't want to comment on it too much or argue. There are many here who might fit that category, who are also still playing at their personal best or close to it. thanks for the welcome! -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstar Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I think Trey is a great guitar player, and nowhere close to being past his prime. Remember, he has been battling a drug problem and I'm certain that affects his playing. As an analogy, Jerry Garcia was a great guitar player that, especially late in his life, fought a losing battle against heroin and coccaine. Listen to any Greatful Dead show post 1991 and you will notice the difference. I suspect that once Trey gets the drug issues straightened out, he'll be back better than ever. Another example would be SRV who, I think, was a much better player after he got sober than he was before he got sober. Turn me over, I'm done on this side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Well ok, Garcia was NOT a great guitar player at all. He was lots of other good things but NOT a great guitar player, and I'm NOT a Troll! you should know this. I know you love the DEAD, by your signature, and that is very cool but Jerry just was NOT a great guitar player ever, drugs or no drugs. Trey IS a great guitar player, Trey is WHAT a great guitar player is. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 25, 2007 Author Share Posted March 25, 2007 Well ok, Garcia was NOT a great guitar player at all. He was lots of other good things but NOT a great guitar player, and I'm NOT a Troll! you should know this. I know you love the DEAD, by your signature, and that is very cool but Jerry just was NOT a great guitar player ever, drugs or no drugs. Trey IS a great guitar player, Trey is WHAT a great guitar player is. Now am im not a dead head or anything. I have only been listening to them seriously for a few months. and i used to feel the same way as you. But you are just wrong. Garcia may not rock out like trey does. But he is still a great guitar player. His timing and syncopation are amazing. He was really a pioneer in some ways. If you listen to other guitar players from then there were not many other guitar players, if any, who were playing in that style. You can tell that is knowledge of the fretboard and scales was unreal and you can hear him turn on a dime durring long improv stuff. I think garcia is way underrated (as is trey) due to the style of musc and because he doesn't rock out as hard as some other guitarists. Like i said, i used to feel just like you do. But after i started listening to a bunch of different stuff i realized i was missing out on how good garcia really was. I think if you gave it a shot you would feel the same. Just listen to the timing, syncopation, and his use of modes. he's pretty good.... -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 25, 2007 Author Share Posted March 25, 2007 I think Trey is a great guitar player, and nowhere close to being past his prime. Remember, he has been battling a drug problem and I'm certain that affects his playing. As an analogy, Jerry Garcia was a great guitar player that, especially late in his life, fought a losing battle against heroin and coccaine. Listen to any Greatful Dead show post 1991 and you will notice the difference. I suspect that once Trey gets the drug issues straightened out, he'll be back better than ever. Another example would be SRV who, I think, was a much better player after he got sober than he was before he got sober. So you are basically agreeing that he is not what he used to be. I agree a lot of it has to do with the drug problem. But he alsways had somewhat of a problem. And I'm not saying he can never get back to where he was....well...maybe i am. i really don't think he'll ever get back to that point. That doesn't mean he's still not a top notch player now. But i think he's just a step down. I'd like it not to be that way. But when i listed to the old stuff vs. the new stuff i just can't help but feel that way... -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 you should check out Jake Cinninger and Brenden Blayless from umpfree's mcgee, if you like Trey you'll love these guys The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Let me say this about Garcia, I have been listening to and going to Dead concerts for over thirty years. I have everything the Dead ever recorded and I still have the same opinion. There are many guitar players on this Forum whether you know it or not that are easily better guitar players than Garcia ever was on his best day. This is NOT a put down of Jerry at all, although you might see as that, it is a informed opinion based on the things I have listened to both live and recorded of his playing, including his acoustic mountain style playing with other people. Jerry is a adequate player, possiably even a good player but certainly not a great player. Jerry was a entainer and icon in a very narrow part of the rock/country/bluegrass mix, his drug use has nothing to do with his abilities as a guitar player one way or the other. Most of his improv playing was not well done, and not musical in many ways. I think you may find other players here who have played many many years might agree with me ...we will see eventually. I am glad you like Jerry, I think he was a pretty darn nice guy. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 25, 2007 Author Share Posted March 25, 2007 We'll have to agree to disagree.... -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 25, 2007 Author Share Posted March 25, 2007 you should check out Jake Cinninger and Brenden Blayless from umpfree's mcgee, if you like Trey you'll love these guys Umpfree's is cool. Some of there stuff is a little too metal for me. But they are pretty good. I prefer Moe. over them... -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstar Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 There is an ancient Roman maxim that applies to this conversation: de gustibus non disputandum est which literally translates as: "there is no disputing about taste." I realize most do not share the same opinion about Garcia, which is why I also included SRV, because I knew that Ellwood played with him and there would be less room for arumentation. That being said, I do not think that Trey is as good as he once was, I think if Phish reunited, that would change. Some guitarists are best in certain contexts, some are good no matter who they play with. Turn me over, I'm done on this side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 One final thought on this subject, we can widen the scope of it actually to include Hendrix and other players. We, unless we are personally close to the person simply do not know how addiction has actually effected their ability to play material that they previously played during their career. If we notice a difference in their playing it could very well be temporary as in a bad case of the flu or extended and brutal concert schedules etc. I've never seen a players ability or capacity to play at their highest levels diminished unless they where physically impared. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warthog Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Jerry Garcia was an OK player who died when a shot of pure blood in his drugstream reached his brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 I don`t have a wide exposure to Phish but what I`ve heard is really good, can`t comment on Trey`s more recent output but I think he had a drug bust recently. I like a lot of stuff Jerry has done but more for the songs than his playing. A friend of mine, whose opinions I mostly respect, has a reverence for Garcia`s playing that I`ve never quite understood, he sees a lot of jazz elements but I don`t think that level of musicianship is there. Interesting at times for sure but not exceptional. Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherstar Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Lee, you make a good point. Hendrix is my favorite guitar player, bar none. I love Garcia's playing, but I think that he was not near as good when he was away from the Dead. Hendrix was good no matter what, and no matter who he played with. With Jimi, his playing seemed to get better as his short career progressed, and at least in his case, the drugs didn't seem to affect his playing. The Isle of Wight video amazes me every time I see it, and he didn't live too long after that. Trey is a great guitar player, but the more recent stuff I've heard from him doesn't do it for me like his stuff from say 10 years ago. Turn me over, I'm done on this side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar55 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 I don't think that Garcia deserves the bad rap that he sometimes gets. I think he was a great player (subjective opinion), but also an inconsistent player (which I believe can be proven). Ross mentioned his syncopation and timing, which, when he was ON, were brilliant. He could be very cretaive and fluid at times. Otherstar, I would disagree and say Jerry was BETTER away from the Dead, in his own band and in his bluegrass playingwhere he really shone, especially his work with David Grisman. Check out the film "Grateful Dawg" for evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 One thing that no one ever talks about is that Hendrix was a better rhythm player then a lead player. Welcome to the newbies!!! Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 26, 2007 Author Share Posted March 26, 2007 One thing that no one ever talks about is that Hendrix was a better rhythm player then a lead player. Welcome to the newbies!!! Good point. His rhythm was quite amazing. Better than his lead? well that's apples and oranges... -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bytored Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 How does Trey find the time to play his guitar and do Walker, Texas Ranger too?? What can this strange device be? When I touch it, it gives forth a sound It's got wires that vibrate, and give music What can this thing be that I found? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 He was doing a trio, his rhythm playing was so integrated into his lead material and singing at the same time, also his constant doubleing with the bass player in and out of the bass players groove was pretty great, to pull all that off and entertain was allot of things going on. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohhhhh6 Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Ellwood's right on. Jimi's playing isn't rhythm and lead, it's just Jimi. That's why he was so damn good. In Skynyrd We Trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgordon83 Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 How does Trey find the time to play his guitar and do Walker, Texas Ranger too?? nice -Ross The Guitar Resource Fender Blues junior Amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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