Fumblyfingers Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I have been listening to Sylvain Luc for a couple few years now. What an amazing player. Here he is with Bireli. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivF5LOzEWc4 Here is a little Bill for you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRU9GNot1ZE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Thanks Fumbly! http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Not trying to comment on anyone's personal tastes...we all have our likes/dislikes... ...but while I am quite impressed with the technical proficiency of the players... ...that particular style of music/playing always leaves me rather flat and somewhat bored...because I can not find any emotional hook there to latch on to. It just comes off as a lot of VERY high quality technical doodling. If I had a whole CD of itI doubt I could get past the 2nd cut.but WOWthey sure can work that fretboard! miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumblyfingers Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 ...we all have our likes/dislikes... Too true. What really gets me about this, apart from the sheer prowess in the jazz guitar style, is the comping Sylvain does in the beginning. He almost sounds like a Rhodes player to me and the chord stabs along with the bass line are just awesome. Bireli was a child prodigy and was playing Gypsy jazz and touring in his teens. Apart from the sheer knowledge and dexterity, to me the " emotional hook" is the subtle use of dynamics these guys are capable of. Even while burning at high speed the really good players push and pull with dynamics to make it more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 ...to me the " emotional hook" is the subtle use of dynamics these guys are capable of. Mmmmm...I guess I prefer a more obvious demonstration of emotion, which is why I said it leaves me rather flat. It seems like there is too much focus on the actual playing, which has the effect of keep any emotion rather subduedor as you say, subtle. I like bolder strokes. I believe that often, the guys that are THAT proficient have a tendency to get way beyond any raw emotion in their playingand they float off into a veryahhhfocused space where every move is an exercise in maintaining delicate balance. When I listen to that kind of playingI often wish that someone would just let loose and rip a few notes to pull things out of balance. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumblyfingers Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 When I listen to that kind of playingI often wish that someone would just let loose and rip a few notes to pull things out of balance. These guys are not letting loose, taking it out of balance or ripping a few notes? I did agree that it was a matter of taste. If jazz/bebop/Gypsy guitar does not float your boat, that's that I guess. As a matter of interest, what guitar players and styles do you like to listen to? What did you think of the Bill Frisell clip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 These guys are not letting loose, taking it out of balance or ripping a few notes? Well...maybe from a jazz perspective...but I'm more into rock/blues styles of ripping. I prefer stronger, more defined melodic content. Oh...I didn't listen to the Bill Frisell clip....and now I'm on dial-up...so I won't be able to check it out until tomorrow. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdrs Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I can say that certain masterful, world class players are awesome, but dont' really capture me. It's "what's your favorite flavor" crap, really. But, I can certainly appreciate the quality, and learn something from it. I might not listen to it often. But, I might break it out and give it some attention periodically, because in spite of not really "liking" it, I know it's "good for me". Steve Vai, and even John McLaughlin come to mind. I'd see either anytime I could, but might get a bit lost, or lose interest half way thru the show. I've been bugging my youngest son, Jeff, who is 14, to watch the Robin Trower DVD "Living Out Of Time" with me since Christmas. Jeff is a really good guitarist, who can improvise blues/rock leads really well. He loves classic rock, and blues....he's always playing old Clapton, Cream, AC/DC, and Ted Nugent. Yet, about 5 minutes into Robin Trower, he's bored as hell, and leaves the room!!! I would have thought Trower's leads and playing would be right up his alley. He acknowledged Trowers prowess, but just didn't get captivated. The little shit....... :grin: LMAO!! Don "There once was a note, Pure and Easy. Playing so free, like a breath rippling by." http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=574296 http://www.myspace.com/imdrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifthorse Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Both links rule. I love the bill frisell one too. He is a complete badass. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 i certainly enjoyed that. the tone and playing i find captivating. even though it may seem like there is nothing to lock onto i still love the phrasing and swing to the notes. i wish there was a bad ass drummer up there with them. that would smoke! http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=193274 rock it, i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesape Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Both are great, jaw-dropping dysplays! The Frisell clip has a haunting, hymnal essence to it, and nicer ringing dynamics than I ever thought an SG would deliver. There's a link there to Mimi Foxx - awesome! Never a DUH! moment! Well, almost never. OK, OK! Sometimes never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 What did you think of the Bill Frisell clip? OK...I took a listen to it this morning...and that clip I enjoyed much more. There was way more emotion there to latch onto than in the first clip. While I was quite awed by the technical complexity and execution in the first clip... the music just didn't take me anywhere. For anyone to really enjoy a piece of music...it has to really reach out and grab you. It doesnt work if you have to think about itor analyze it in any wayIMO though one can be taken by someones playing ability without caring much for that actual music they are playing. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Maybe part of that is having two great players on the same stage, they are pushing and pulling each other, calling and answering and the interplay is where one would find the emotional appeal. You don`t know where thing are going to go and that`s part of the great thing about jazz in general, it`s technical yet it`s daring in a way that most other music is not. Give them a stage by themselves and I`m sure they would explore other approaches. Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumblyfingers Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 For anyone to really enjoy a piece of music.....It doesnt work if you have to think about itor analyze it in any wayIMO Hmmm, I don't agree. I personally can still really enjoy any piece of music if I am analyzing it while listening to it. I don't always have to be analytically disconnected to enjoy music and I would have to imagine that the same goes for most musicians. What about working out a song one really likes....we've all done that quite a few times in our lives. We mostly still enjoy the song even though we've been analyzing it like crazy. What about your own music for example. As you listen back to a work in progress, to some extent you have to be analyzing it, thinking about how to approach a solo or vocal harmony etc etc. If it is a song you are really enjoying putting together, you will still enjoy it while being analytical not so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Well...I have two ways of listening to music (my own music included). As a musician/songwriter/engineer. Andjust as a listener. When I'm listening AND analyzing...that's one thing. Sure I can still appreciate the music Im analyzing, but that action always "cuts in" on the emotional "feed" from the music. Whereas when I just listen to the music (without analysis)thats real enjoyment! Sort of like seeing a beautiful rose...and just taking it in... ...as opposed to seeing it and analyzing WHY it is so beautiful. Those are two different ways of appreciating something. When the beauty just pulls you in and takes you without you giving it a single thought...and it just washes over you THAT...is IMO...the purest form of enjoyment. Sure...you can rewind the tape and listen to it again and again and begin the analysis... ...but initially, in the first moment...the music needs to grab at you. If it doesn't...I have little desire to go to the analysis stage. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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